Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[OkaPoka]

You not answering some of my questions and not providing more justification is non transparency.

Your reads and calling of scumteams/pairs that early and then following up on it is too confbiasy to come from town.

Sure playstyle turns it into a YMMV kinda thing, but I don't think it applies here.

[Vorkuta]

What if she's just not good?

I think that's reaching a bit.

So you'd rather conclude that you're playing with bad players, rather than potentially 'overestimate' someone?
Maybe I'll change my mind with more games under my belt, but I don't buy it.

how would a scum Vork navigate this game?

I don't know- I didn't roll scum

There's no answer I can give you that will satisfy you.
I'm not going to make claims like:

My scum game is just me trying to match my town game.

But the fact remains- there ARE people for whom the winning strategy as scum is to lay low, bus if necessary, and just not draw attention for as long as possible and win by lurking. I've 'idled' around in the game for long enough to realize that with the way this game is going, a third of the player cast could literally get away with that.

[OkaPoka]

I have done the overestimation kinda stuff before, it hurt more than it helped. I have done underestimation too which has hurt more than it helped. It's about finding a balance which I'm trying to do.

Kinda why I want suka to tell us about her exp and reveal meta stuff, but w/o that I'm going to make a judgment call.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not saying Suka is good or bad. You are saying that Suka wouldn't get caught if she was good. I'm saying she could totally get caught.

[Vorkuta]

I'm saying she could totally get caught.

She literally has to do the exact opposite of what she's doing right now (playing Suka against the world) to not get caught.
Like this is D-1.

[Nero Cain]

but what if she just plays the same way regardless of alignment?

[OkaPoka]

this is d1 so cases aren't going to be exactly spectacular.

ill concede that maybe suka is town here, but i still think it's where my vote should be. it's better than any other wagon at least.

[Suka]

You not answering some of my questions and not providing more justification is non transparency.

I didn't answer your softball questions about whether I'm a newbie... If anything, that's a minor town tell; if I were scum, I could have easily played the newbie card to avoid getting wagon'd.

I said I'm happy to explain where I'm coming from. That's transparency, not non-transparency. What I'm refusing is "justification" (i.e. "rhetorically proving the validity of what I'm saying for the purpose of making myself seem towny").

Your reads and calling of scumteams/pairs that early and then following up on it is too confbiasy to come from town.

I've changed my reads throughout the game in response to new information. That is the opposite of confirmation bias. If anyone is suffering from confirmation bias, it's Nero (and part of the reason I stopped voting him).

Sure playstyle turns it into a YMMV kinda thing, but I don't think it applies here.

Why doesn't "non-transparency playstyle" apply to me? Why do you think I'd be playing differently as town when you've never played with me before?

[OkaPoka]

Who are your top three scumreads right now?

[Suka]

Who are your top three scumreads right now?

That's changing based on current interactions. I'll let you know when I figure it out. Who are yours?

[Vorkuta]

but what if she just plays the same way regardless of alignment?

-Unfortunately we can't prove that as she has only 1 other game on site.
-I think (MY judgement call here- look at her arguments, and she's not playing the newbie card her) she has a few games under her belt, and I doubt she could be effective at mafia with having an alignment non-indicative playstyle that basically gets her lynched at D-1.

[OkaPoka]

The only person I'm okay with lynching right now with no more information is you.

So what you are saying is that you went from having the entire scumteam called out to ???

[Suka]

The only person I'm okay with lynching right now with no more information is you.

You still think I'm scum despite this conversation?

[OkaPoka]

The only person I'm okay with lynching right now with no more information is you.

You still think I'm scum despite this conversation?

yep

Anyways are your top three scumreads BEF/Nero/DDL by any chance?

[Suka]

How are you still scumreading me? I addressed all of your concerns more than enough for you to drop the suspicion.

[OkaPoka]

Because you saying it's a town tell does not make it a town tell.

Anyways I'd like an answer on the top three scumreads thing because I think it's relevant.

[northsidegal]

@ mod

-DDL is also on V/La so shouldn't you not prod him?

My mistake. I won't record it as an official prod.

[Suka]

Then explain why anything you've called scummy is actually scummy.

[mbaki]

y have you two abandoned DDL is scum?

If you two is directed at me, I don't believe I ever expressed an intent to vote DDL.

Why? If anything it's making me doubt myself on suka because it looks like scum seeing a wagon not on them and jumping on.

It gave me weird town vibes because of how little of a shit it gave, looked like someone who's generally just an awful player rather than scummy. I am thinking of moving my vote back there though.

VOTE: Vorkuta
439 sounds weird.

[Suka]

Nope. Vorkuta's town.

[Vorkuta]

439 sounds weird.

I wanted to confirm whether she knew exactly that she was almost at L-1 and was... 'ok' with it.
Like 'wouldn't change anything about what I've been doing up until now' ok.

[Nero Cain]

I agree with 123.

"but I never called him scummy!"

You are agreeing with a guy that IS calling him scummy. If you are agreeing then you are agreeing that he's scummy.

[OkaPoka]

Transparency is a playstyle thing, agreed.

But town lack of transparency usually comes with a reason. I don't see a reason for you to not be transparent, esp after you've been called out on it. Scum lack of transparency allows them to get away with future ??? plays, it's easier.

confbiasing - I'll explain this more once you give me your top 3.

[northsidegal]

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[northsidegal]

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