Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

VC 1.09

votes

[4] Suka

:

Nero Cain 47, OkaPoka 71, YyottaCat 337, BrightEyedFish 349

[3] DrDolittle

:

Leodanny 107, rb 163, Varsoon 370

[2] YyottaCat

:

Kmd4390 23, Vorkuta 442

[1] Nero Cain

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DrDolittle 55

[1] BrightEyedFish

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Suka 343

[1] rb

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Creature 18

[1] Vorkuta

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mbaki 493

[0] Not Voting

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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-12-21 12:00:59)

Mod Notes

: Kmd4390 is V/LA until Saturday.
DrDolittle is V/LA until Tuesday.

[Vorkuta]

Nope. Vorkuta's town.

I invoke

potato

Leodanny's

Kaythanks, but why?

Like you guys are just handing town reads out like participation trophies.

[OkaPoka]

having top 3 is very important for my read on you so

gimme gimme

[mbaki]

and the answer is?

You are rather pungent.

So you spent several pages pushing for a lynch that you didn't scum read? Bang up town play there.

So you kinda lied?

"but it was wea...."

WE KNOW.

bold is really defensive. When pplusually vote they usally vote their top scum read so I don't feel like I've done you some great disservice by assuming that you would do that.

I have great disdain for your style of play. There are lots of reasons to vote someone other than your top scum read, and for somebody who isn't a scum read. I did not push a YYotta lynch overly strong, just repeated to vote for him a couple times to force him to play the game after my RVS vote garnered an odd reaction. My goal was to make the game progress which is what an early game town needs to generate reads, and it proved unsuccessful so I moved on. YYotta is demonstratably not reacting to these votes, so keeping my vote parked on that slot does nothing; there is no purpose voting there now unless I decide I'm locking in on that lynch because my vote will no longer be applying pressure. I despise overconfidence, which you overflow with. Voting is quite literally the only thing I can do to influence the game, and 9 other people here may be in the same boat (9 being 10:3, typical alignment ratio). My vote and the discussion around my vote is

my

impact on the game, and it has done a bang-up job.

TSO is beneath. MS>MU>TSO>EM. Here's the thing though, meta is a useful tool but its not this say all be all of scumhunting. Creature's content is ass and you know it so you're falling back on meta. You have this strange double talk where you are saying my content is scummy while ignoring my meta but ignoring Creature's content and invoking "town meta!" if you are going to use meta then you can't pick and choose where and when to apply it.

I much prefer MU to this site, the quality of games is signficantly higher in my experience. This is not related to deadlines. Meta is the best scumhunting tool by far, and my MU meta knowledge is far more proficient but it doesn't take a lot to know Creature. I don't know your meta, so I don't use meta to sort you. Of course I "pick and choose where and when to apply it", I'm not going to apply a time-intensive tool to people I can't use the tool on... I am in awe that's an argument you even attempted to make. What is your "meta" that should be helping me sort you here? If it is something as simple as Creature's I would be happy to engage in reading it.

*That said, Creature has been lackluster since his posting spree. I am aware of this. If Creature maintains his current activity level I will pursue that slot again. It is not the kind of slot one randomly wagon's for no reason, he will resolve before the end of the phase most likely.

[Suka]

Vorkuta, you're town because newb scum doesn't change how they're approaching a townie (me) with anything close to the fluidity that your change had.

[OkaPoka]

And maybe me voting you is bordering on policy territory

But I think it's better if we can hold everyone accountable. You seem experienced enough, so you should understand this. Do you disagree? @suka

[Suka]

Yes, I disagree with almost everything you've said in this game. I'll meta you later to figure your alignment, but my sense is that you're nowhere near this stupid as scum.

[OkaPoka]

...

top 3

[mbaki]

Aren't you the one that thinks votes should be unjustified?

There's a difference between requesting "justification" and asking why you voted someone.

asking why you [did x]

While technically speaking this is asking for an "explanation" rather than a "justification", in this context they are essentially synonyms. Don't play semantics please.

she posted elsewhere on site yesterday.

Relevant.

[Bright's] quite active & independent thinking as town

Citation needed.

Perhaps OkaPoka can be a town read. I'll think on it.

but what if she just plays the same way regardless of alignment?

How are you still scumreading me? I addressed all of your concerns more than enough for you to drop the suspicion.

Sidebar: laughed.

[mbaki]

I agree with 123.

"but I never called him scummy!"

You are agreeing with a guy that IS calling him scummy. If you are agreeing then you are agreeing that he's scummy.

As is common here, a throwaway thought on page 5 is referenced later seriously.

[mbaki]

Suka is still sounding like Mathblade to me.

~

I almost just voted Bright Eyed Fish. Didn't, but almost did. Awaiting meta citation requested above.

[Vorkuta]

so keeping my vote parked on that slot does nothing

Just.. not disagreeing with anything you've said... loved the whole speech... but....
Isn't the answer 'more votes on Yyotta'?
Like that slot is unresolved, and will stay that way until something/someone does something.

[Nero Cain]

I agree with 123.

"but I never called him scummy!"

You are agreeing with a guy that IS calling him scummy. If you are agreeing then you are agreeing that he's scummy.

As is common here, a throwaway thought on page 5 is referenced later seriously.

Why is everything with you a throwaway comment or weak? The biggest difference between this site and MU is that there's less of a reliance on night actions and it's more about scumhunting in the day phase. I know you'll invoke the "its d1" but all these "throwaway" and "weak" reasons are very wishy-washy.

[mbaki]

So a four-word comment from the fifth page of the thread vocalizing a "plus-one" for someone else is a substantial comment, then? Do you believe I have not significantly interacted with the game?

[mbaki]

And more-over, that is the only example you could find of me holding Doctor Do Little scummy. Is that what a scum-case is to you? Are these questions annoying?

[Suka]

Awaiting meta citation requested above.

Take a look at the game Oka linked. Or just look at the ISO in this: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77774

[OkaPoka]

my point refutes your claim tho

also why cant you give like an in the moment who are my top 3 scumreads.

[Nero Cain]

I guess I tend to believe what ppl say so when you agreed he was scummy I asked why you dropped that read. You then said you never scumread him...which doesn't mesh with your words in the thread.

[Suka]

also why cant you give like an in the moment who are my top 3 scumreads.

I already responded to this but since you're relentlessly obtuse I'll try again: My reads on Vorkuta & you changed. So I'm rethinking. I can't tell you top three until I'm done with that.

[OkaPoka]

ok ill drop it

[Nero Cain]

Since agreeing that DDL was scummy you've:

Said you'd be ok with pling Cat.

light pushed Oka and Vork.

mentioned that Varsoon and Cat were scum.

then you say that you aren't interested in voting Varsoon.

Pushed me as scum.

then kinda pushed Suka as scum.

and now you are on Vork.

So you are just kinda all over the place. Nothing says you can't believe in a page 5 read but then you seem to believe in nothing and are just floating in the wind right now.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the gamestate.

[rb]

is all over the place scummy though?

[mbaki]

My thoughts are if you believe I am scum you can push for my lynch but I am bored of this interaction.

I have stated RB, KMD, and Creature* are my confident town reads. I have mentioned I am troubling to get firm reads in this lobby. I have an ISO button if you would like to utilize it. The gamestate is fine, content is coming pretty quickly. I did not do half the things said in the above post by you, and what that tells me is talking to you is going to be unproductive and I would be better served to ignore you for the duration that RB remains a town read and you his.

[rb]

i'd lynch like 5 other people before mbaki at this point, even though i think Nero is right his play isn't great i don't think the bar is very high right now

Who are these 5 mystery scummers?

yyotta
DDL
brighteyedfish
leodanny
vorkuta

if we're lynching for 'fluff content' or lack of content i think these are all more likely to flip scum than mbaki

[mbaki]

Do you reckon Varsoon is town, RB?