[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Auro]

DVa (L-2)

: NotNova, Lamees, bristep123, Persivul,
DVa

rb (L-5)

: Leodanny, Something_Smart

Dunnstral (L-5)

: Auro, rb

Leodanny (L-5)

: Thor665, Dunnstral

Lamees (L-6)

: Malakitty

Egix96

Egix, do you think scum!me and scum!DVa planned her self-vote?
Do you not think I would've hammered her for the towncred, if I was bussing her after the self-vote?

[MiniDeathStar]

Notice

DarkLightA

replaces DVa.

[DarkLightA]

UNVOTE:

[DarkLightA]

Will do a little read through soon. If someone wants to give a run thorough of the main dynamics so far that would be appreciated.

[Egix96]

Egix, do you think scum!me and scum!DVa planned her self-vote?
Do you not think I would've hammered her for the towncred, if I was bussing her after the self-vote?

- Possibly. Considering that you two have wolfed together before, I wouldn't be surprised if you (or DVa) came up with that.
- Not if you didn't feel like it was worth losing one of your own buddies. The thing is, you were making quite a lot of fuss over the whole situation, which is the reason why I made that hot take.

[Auro]

I don't see any benefit in planning to have her self-vote and then suddenly have me distance from her after townreading and defending that slot, do you?

A lot of fuss, over DVa self-voting, scumclaiming and open wolfing? What do you expect town!Auro to say in this situation? I mean if I didn't want to lose my scumbuddy DVa, I wouldn't have let her done the self-voting crap anyway.

VOTE: DarkLightA, L-2

[Lamees]

I think DVa might be zombie

[Leodanny]

Why’d she want to get lynched if she is zombie?

[MiniDeathStar]

Notice

NotNova

has requested replacement.

[Egix96]

Why’d she want to get lynched if she is zombie?

Zombie = delayed lynchproof I think
Not vanilla undead, that's called a Ghoul I believe

[Something_Smart]

if someone isn't the same as they were over 6 months (?) agp, they must be scum.

smart imo

I literally just said I can't read you at all.

[DarkLightA]

Some incomplete notes from what I've looked through so far.

Leo needs more votes I think. Persi, Thor, and Auro all seem like town to me so far, so I don't think scum are pushing a lynch there. Seems like a good choice.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Leodanny

This is really weak. Egix irks me a bit by I have very little more than a gut feeling now.

I thought the blatant self-contradiction in 233 was towny but also 240 reads like trying too hard to be flippant...

I like this. Something_Smart impressed me overall.

Also, what would be my scum motivation in "looking like I'm efforting", considering I've actually efforted in my scum games, especially when I'm questioning why someone townleaned me for doing that?

Just because you efforted as scum in the past does not mean you always will - or are you claiming it does?
I'm not sure what your motivation for it is - but it appears fairly factual you're doing exactly that so now I'm exploring it. It does make more sense to me you'd do it as scum, and it ASSUREDLY makes more sense to me you'd try to cover it up as scum as opposed to admitting it.

I'm feeling more like these answers are deflections than responses. Meh, then again you do answer in questions a lot like I do.
Please delve deeper into that first response and my rebuttal - I feel like the answer to your alignment is there.

I don't like this push.

- 101 - "He agreed with me though, so he can't possibly be scum." Seems like this is sarcasm intended to be funny, but then:
102 - "I'm also not trying to be funny."

This is a blatant misrep, to the extent that it's even hard to follow in the original posts. However, the general gist I've gotten so far is that he's just a rather scummy looking townie. Post 395 seems like a townslip, as daytalk and angel kill are indeed adjacent in the front post. If this is scum play it's excellent so I'm happy to be fooled by it. (Is this the same that is referenced in 477?)

i tried

too hard tbh

cop checks on both imo

How do you know a cop exists? Feels a bit like TMI.
If you're scum who knows cop exists, these posts make me think you have a framer as well.
If you didn't bother reading our exchange properly, why do you not think it could be TvT?

I generally found Auro's posts felt a bit forced, but this is a very good point. Same with post 423, which I don't think scum would share even if they thought of it. Getting similar vibes as from Persivul, townie with a playstyle seeming scummy.

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rb... Ugh... I don't know, I think the obvious answer is scum, but I can also see just scummy town play. The most condemning was the scumslip of cop knowledge 347, which was shoved under the rug real fast. This slip is reeeeeeally bad, but could be explained by his rather energetic playstyle. And vengeful slip soon after (365), though I could easily see coming from confused town. Some of the interaction with DVa, e.g. 569 felt like legit frustrated town.

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Lamees is an issue. I'm leaning towards believing her, and lynching a claimed Angel D1 isn't a great strategy.

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Spoiler: PS: Fucking rekt

@rb:

I'm going to have to ask you to stop repeating a joke that no one else wants to hear. Consider this an official warning.

so sad can't even express my hilarious and lovable personality

Chapter 3 - The dagger

Slaying the ghoul posing as Inferno Dragon was indeed exhilarating, but that fleeting joy
soon suffocated under the spectre of death that was haunting their village. Smiles twisted
into grimaces, and the lively chatter gave way to bitter disputes. On one side of the inn,
Thor and Auro were flinging heavy words at each other in a heated argument. On the
other side, a small group had formed and was gathering supporters. This time they called
for the death of Lamees, one of the leaders of the militia.

Lamees stood out in more than one way, from her unnervingly calm demeanour to her
lavender blue tresses, which was normally met with equal parts awe and superstition. Now
however, it made some call her humanity into question — a rumour started by militiaman
Robert Black, more famously known by his initials R.B.

rb:

Wow, she's an emotionally stunted, blue-haired undead witch, in my opinion. I can't believe her awful
disguise is fooling bright lads like you to be honest.

Lamees:

Rather intriguing that my "awful disguise" only started to bother you now, is it not?

Malakitty:

No, Arby is right. There's something... off about you.

Persivul:

Indeed.

YyottaCat:

Hear, hear.

Lamees:

Fools. You do not know what you're trifling with, for I am an angel. Strike me down, and Heaven's
wrath will surely fall upon you.

rb:

You lie, witch! She lies! She's only trying to save her miserable hide!

But upon hearing Lamees' words, Yyotta became possessed by great fear. She skittered
away to the door, hoping to remain unnoticed, but there she met another stranger. She
tried to push her way past, but the dagger he plunged into her stomach made that task
much too difficult. She stumbled back and collapsed to the floor in laboured breaths,
before the rot spreading from the wound engulfed her and left her a withered husk. The
stranger plucked his dagger from the corpse.

bristep123:

This one bolted for the door... figured it'd be a snivelling little ghoul. You're welcome by the
way.

Persivul:

And you're late, Bristep.

rb:

Wow, you should show some bloody gratitude, in my opinion.

The villagers did not hold back their thanks. Elated by their new victory, they raided the
inn's storage room and soon the ale flowed and a bountiful feast was served for lunch.
"Someone's last meal", a thought hovered over, but this time they ignored it and allowed
themselves to be happy, at least for a little while.

rb (L-4)

: Lamees, Leodanny, Egix96

Lamees (L-4)

: Malakitty, bristep123, Persivul

Leodanny (L-6)

: Thor665

DVa (L-6)

: NotNova

Dunnstral (L-6)

: rb

NotNova (L-6)

: DVa

bristep123 (L-6)

: Dunnstral

Not voting:

Something_Smart, Auro

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 actions:

December 23, 2018 - 8:00 PM (GMT)

You have (expired on 2018-12-23 20:00:00) to discuss and decide on a lynch.

Vote Count 1.02

Townpool: (Persivul, Auro, Something_Smart, lamees)
Scumpool: (rb, egix, thor)

[DarkLightA]

By the way the modding in this game is amazing.

[Malakitty]

I’m not neccassary seeing the issue with DVA. I want to see what the replacement does

[DarkLightA]

Thx for making me feel included and not overlooked

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: rb

[Something_Smart]

So it's not an omgus, I just have started to not care about your alignment. Stop playing to scum wincon if you're town.

This is pretty much how I'm feeling too. That combined with Lamees' scumread of him makes him a good lynch.

Although I will say that your argument over whether it's right to vote lurkers to pressure them to talk is mostly opinion and not alignment-indicative. I'll rarely vote lurkers with the express intent of getting more content from them-- if they give more content, great, but most people don't lurk only because they think they can get away with it (either they're not engaged, or they're busy, or they don't care at all).
That's right, she was replaced. Might as well leave these comments up to let people know how I'm thinking.

I didn't really much understand the DVa votes beyond "she was loud and garnering a lot of attention." I think it makes even less sense to vote that slot now that it's been replaced. (Looking at you Auro)

DLA seems fine so far.

[Dunnstral]

I’m not neccassary seeing the issue with DVA. I want to see what the replacement does

Scummy post

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Malakitty

You have a bad vote on lamees that you need to justify in some way now
You come in here to comment on'waiting for DVa's replacement' but miss that she was replaced on this page somehow

Looking at your post history it's clear that you should be doing more than waiting for other people anyway

[Malakitty]

VOTE: Malakitty

You have a bad vote on lamees that you need to justify in some way now
You come in here to comment on'waiting for DVa's replacement' but miss that she was replaced on this page somehow

Looking at your post history it's clear that you should be doing more than waiting for other people anyway

Okay? When I was catching up Lamees' posts were bad.

I also just skimmed and I'm about to catch up now. Not sure if you actually realized that I got you are being replaced for inactivity earlier this morning. This should give you a clue on just how far behind I am and not realizing that DLA is now DVA.

You should also go back to another game where everyone scum read me for inactivity and my clusterlack of votes and what did i do? Yep. flip town.

[Malakitty]

I have been in a game with lamee where I read her as scum right off the bat. She hammered me ; I made her scum slip and she went unlynched and won the game

Hammering a town player is not a scum slip lol.

I'm not saying that you hammering me sealed your fact. You became obv-scum when you couldn't get into the conversation when RC and I were trying to solve the game. You then gave up and looked like obv scum because RC and I was like the scum team is x&y and we were right.

Anyway, this is def not town malakitty. Town malakitty was less aggressive with pushes and was more prone to sheep other players. (In the game we played together at least). Then again I'm not really gonna call her scum just off meta/one previous game together.

I also don't see why yyottacat got so much backlash? Weren't you guys going for a lamees lynch? What if yyotta just bought malakitty's case and joined.

Here's the thing. I replaced in. I didn't even get a chance to start posting and solving when I was hammered. I don't think you can even compare here and then. I'm definitely can be an aggressive person on forum mafia especially with pushes. I'm not where where I really sheeped anyone that other game.

I'm not down for a Lamees lynch. She's very easy mislynch bait, often looks scummy early in the game, and I think a deeper study of her scumgame can reveal potential scumtells of hers.

This is white knighting at it's best. I don't like " a deeper study" comment either.

Let's talk about this post

wow back to not taking mafia seriously imo

too hard tbh

You then went back to voting me over DVA. So you even admit your vote on me is not serious lol.

When town is ready to lynch scum (that is rb) let me know.

Again, Lamees can you provide a case for RB? (maybe you have when i have caught up)

Lamees I more feel like the posts don’t really have any substance behind it. I didn’t like the first post I quoted more because I felt like it’s I’m here looking like I’m contributing but then not doing anything about it.

Why are you townreading rb then? I feel like his posts don't have much substance either...

I gotta get back to you. I vaguely remember the first set of pages that I read. I think my rb read is mainly gut.

[Malakitty]

I wonder if Lamees and rb are scum trying to distance each other? Hey, rb, are you scum?

I'm really not sure distance is the right word.

FWIW, I see it as a progression of her thoughts, not necessarily a "blatant contradiction". That's Lamees for ya.

This is still pretty bad.

Even if there was contradiction (which there isn't) how is it even alignment indicative? Why would I as scum make contradicting posts?

How about the fact that rb admitted his vote on me was not serious but continues to tunnel on it to look busy.

How about the fact that rb townread malakitty after ONE POST, and all of a sudden malakittys only case is a sheep of rb's not serious vote on me?

Also, "lamees is posting no content" LMAO I can list 10 players or even more with no content in this game

Didn't you just say I sheeped more as town, but you are calling me scum for being aggressive and not sheeping.

I only once rolled scum and it was my first game, can't really use that as an example. I was super noob idk how I won.

But auro is correct, as town I usually get lynched early (in newbie games at least). None newbie games I work better with town so I got night killed late but at that stage we already had the win in the bag.

This isn't a newbie game though, so can we all vote rb please. Thanks.

You won because town was really dumb that game. You won because we had someone fake claim a role and they got lynched. You won because of that. your partner got lynched because he decided to CC the fake role. Not one person listened to the confirmed town after we flipped, not one person.

[Malakitty]

Still evaluating if Thor's attack on me is genuine.
He seems uncharitable towards any semantic misinterpretations I make, and I am getting confused by what he's saying, or least am continuing to interpret his posts wrong.
What do you think of our interaction?

He's not exactly attacking...which has me concerned.

My general impression as the game unfolded was that you were

taking over

so to speak. That always concerns me. There's no more dangerous scum than one who has taken over the town. So, I've been watching you and poking at you. So far, you look town to me. And, town leaders tend to sort themselves out over time.

I don't get all this talk about "efforting" (and just turning effort into a verb bugs the hell out of me). You seem to me like the type that just continues arguing out of stubbornness, even if it's not helping you read and you don't need to defend. I get that. What I don't get is why Thor keeps on about it.

I actually agree with Persi on this.

I know that way back when in 2016 Thor used to be an aggressive player regardless of his alignment. I have played a game with him recently and I don't feel the thor fire. I thought it was because he rolled scum there. I'm kinda wondering if we have a scum-thor again here, but i really think I might have to look at a few recent town-thor to see if he just changed over my two years of no mafia.

[Malakitty]

I rolled angel though

Why did you claim? You were only at L-3 and deadline isn't near. I was beginning to come around on you anyway.

If you were lynched rn, who would you venge kill?

Agree.

Having players mindlessly tunnelling me while not being serious is just gonna waste day 1 time on a town PR, so I claimed in order to not get to final day with L-1, as that is more likely to look like a scum gambit and also that's a lot of time wasted.

Um isn't that exactly what you are doing to rb, or am i wrong??....

Try to post at least once a day. Being inactive for 36h will result in a prod.

Looks like Dunn and Mala are due for prods.

I suck at life. Well no I actually don't I just work too much. 70 hours a week and volunteering kills me. This week I had both depts santa runs, they were fun, but time consuming and exhausting.

Exactly auro, day 1 lynch is the worst play to lynch angel. Because as the game progress the higher my chances are to hit scum. So they are forced to kill me night 1 if you think about it.

If you are gonna do their work for them and lynch me early to lower my chances, then idk, could be considered game throwing lol jk.

I seriously don't understand how and why you played the game like this if you were an angel.

God I'm going to unvote you, but ugh this bothers the shit out of me.

Btw, the exchange between persi, rb and lamees. If there's in fact day talk and scum know the town's roles make me think that rb either isn't reading the scum chat or he's town. Could he be fake acting like he didn't know how angel worked? yes, Do I believe that? No.

UNVOTE: Lamees

[Auro]

Mala, do you not think my interactions with Lamees and treatment of her slot could be informed by prior games? In my most recent completed game with her, Newbie 1900, I treated her pretty much the same -- I said she makes scummy plays as town, and is a bad lynch -- she pushed a pretty bad wagon on me, and yet I didn't vote her a single time D1 IIRC. And I was town that game.