Excalibur [Endgame]

[Nancy Drew 39]

See I was thinking Gamma was the scummiest of the 3 and was thinking we'd lynch/shoot both of penguin and gamma - I haven't seen either of the overkill games

Why is Gamma the scummiest?

My point being is why does Chara ask me - his #1 “independent” townread for a link to my scumgame, when he’s already seen it?

He didn’t make it a point, to say - in addition to, or as groupscum - he just straight up asked for a link to ANY scumgame, like he has 0 experience with scum!me, which obviously isn’t the case.

Nancy, do you have

any

scum games you could link me?

Didn’t you really mean to say, OTHER than Overkill 1, which we were BOTH in and I was SK/scum?

I feel like Gamma hasn't really made much of an impact recently - like it doesn't seem like he really cares who scum is moreso he's trying to coast through for the past 2 weeks and nobodies calling him out on it

I haven't seen either of the overkill games

[Chara]

i actually forgot you were in Overkill. or that you were SK in it.
now that i'm reminded, hi. i still forgot.

[Chara]

and when i asked that i was sort of hoping for multiple links. hence games and not game.
though it's true i did forget. i don't know what to say except is it some kind of scum strategy to pretend like i hadn't seen your scumgame?

[Chara]

I don’t necessarily agree with Varsoon’s Chara read. Why does he ask for a scumgame from his #1 “independent” townread?

i already said why, Nancy. i said i wanted to be sure about you. and i explained i like to townhunt.

[Chara]

@Chara: I think I'm biased about you given my particular experience with you in games I have modded, which is something that I struggle with around pretty much any player.
Like how I was sure Cerb was 3P in the recent Overkill game because his play was reminding me so much of SaGa Frontier and since I have such a tonal baseline for RR as a hydra due to something like 10+ games modded of theirs.

I still don't think you propose a gladiate on town UT if you're scum. That sort of play is much more in UT's wheelhouse.
It's why I think that if you're scum here, you're playing a tonally consistent town game but taking measures that I'd not expect, either out of WIFOM or desperation.
I also don't see you advising a shot on potential BP after taking such a huge risk move.
That's why I think it's more likely that others are scum before you are, and if they advised/orchestrated/coached your play, that'd make sense to me.

this conclusion makes sense. i should probably have more to say about it and i might in the morning. i think i'd do it as scum but i see where you came to the conclusion and that's what matters.

this might be my unwarranted frustration talking but i don't know how i can sort you from Nancy. if you're scum you're playing a good game. and she's reminded me that i wrongly townread her in Overkill for her emotional posting. i had to stop and think about it, i have a bad habit of remembering my reads on players in past games instead of their actual alignments.
the fact that i forgot she was scum in a game we were just in because i'd read her as town just kind of decimated my own confidence in that townread and now i don't know where to go from here.

part of me wants to latch onto you here because i'd think scum Varsoon wouldn't have wanted to lock himself out of the Chara mislynch. but (assuming Dunn's town) you could be scum with Nancy and have an easier mislynch target in either Gamma or Penguin, because you know i'm not a mislynchable player.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i actually forgot you were in Overkill. or that you were SK in it.
now that i'm reminded, hi. i still forgot.

How would you forget a game that recent?

But okay, why do you ask for a link to a scumgame from your #1 “independent” townread?

I don’t see why UT green flip, ought to affect that.

Do you have familiarity with Penguin’s, Dunn’s, Gamma’s, Varsoon’s scumgames, and if so, how recent were any of them?

Also, why are you so convinced Maria’s read on Dunn is correct, when she wrongly scumread 3/4 players?

NK15 doesn’t count and no one gets towncred for scumreading that slot. He obviously volunteered to eat a lynch. Had he any intention of surviving, he would have gladiated, UT/Penguin over Sir Cakes. NK lynch was clearly a voluntary scum-coordinated effort.

[Gamma Emerald]

Here’s my tinfoil theory. Scum figured out Maria was really Merlin and is trying to frame Kokichi for it but it’s blatantly obvious that Maria knew he was Merlin, or she 100% would have exposed him

So, scum might be someone who wanted to get him mislynched and kill me, the next obvtown tonight.

So, who, figured it out? That’s likely scum.

But It’s not hard, we remove us from the pile and you then have Dunn, Gamma and Penguin and Chara, right?

So,we force 2 of those 4 to gladiate today.

HURT: Penguin

Why remove you+Varsoon?

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually think scum didnt know Maria was Merlin. And killed her thinking dunn was Arthur and I was Merlin.

So, maybe Pengin and Gamma, then?

I was damn sure Kokichi was Merlin and Maria was Arthur. And don’t try to argue someone else took over because I’ve backed down on pushing my preferred kill in the past and it has worked out poorly.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

I could see you flipping scum yes but I would rather see you go for the sword then dual.

I find it interesting you want me to duel day 1. I think that seems strictly suboptimal, don't you?

I think you're going to be pushed regardless if you're scum or not. If you win the dual you go for the sword. If you flip people lose the excuse of pushing you.

And this was really weird coming from you - she's going to be pushed so might as well lynch her anyway? What? There's NO WAY you're actually thinking like this... Like I know there's not

Ok, so for starters here's someone who knows Maria very well saying that her behaviour doesn't match her norm, and it doesn't. Maria has been doing this weird "I want LLD to have the sword" and "I will vote LLD to die" thing and this is the culmination of it.

Dunn's been wrong on me before. Don't take his word for law although I don't know how this is "weird coming from me" given he gave no context on why that was weird from me. I don't get the point you're trying to make here
Pedit: LLD I get you're scum pushing me and stuff but I didn't answer because I was puking my guts out. Period

right but there's more than 1 person saying that behaviour was off. We're not always right but you can't discredit us both that way.

Also, your "illness" didn't stop you from posting things regarding Elsa v. LLD. So that's not an excuse, don't hide behind it. (Sorry you were sick )

LLD strongly relied on Dunn’s shading of Maria, to justify her gladiate on her.

LLD was town tho what

[Chara]

i actually forgot you were in Overkill. or that you were SK in it.
now that i'm reminded, hi. i still forgot.

How would you forget a game that recent?

But okay, why do you ask for a link to a scumgame from your #1 “independent” townread?

I don’t see why UT green flip, ought to affect that.

Do you have familiarity with Penguin’s, Dunn’s, Gamma’s, Varsoon’s scumgames, and if so, how recent were any of them?

Also, why are you so convinced Maria’s read on Dunn is correct, when she wrongly scumread 3/4 players?

NK15 doesn’t count and no one gets towncred for scumreading that slot. He obviously volunteered to eat a lynch. Had he any intention of surviving, he would have gladiated, UT/Penguin over Sir Cakes. NK lynch was clearly a voluntary scum-coordinated effort.

1) i have a bad memory.

2) i explained this.

3) it doesn't. also answered this before.

4) the only one i remember is Dunnstral. it was recent, we were scum together.

5) Maria's record of reading Dunn specifically is really really good. she's been right in every game i've been with them together.

[Chara]

like. i have a really, really bad memory. i want to stress that. i forget my own reads in games i'm currently in and have to reread my own ISO.

[Chara]

no, i saw Varsoon scum recently too. i'm sure i've seen Gamma scum but i don't remember where. i misread Varsoon in his scumgame.

[Chara]

asking you for a scumgame wasn't me thinking you were scum. it was wanting to reaffirm my own townread which was based on what i thought was really honest posting from you and from towngames i'd seen from you.
lack of confidence in my own reads aside.

[Chara]

I actually think scum didnt know Maria was Merlin. And killed her thinking dunn was Arthur and I was Merlin.

So, maybe Pengin and Gamma, then?

I was damn sure Kokichi was Merlin and Maria was Arthur. And don’t try to argue someone else took over because I’ve backed down on pushing my preferred kill in the past and it has worked out poorly.

there's really no need to argue that someone else took over the kill if one could argue you were lying about being sure who was who.

[Chara]

Gamma, what are your thoughts on everything else? namely us four who aren't Dunn/Kokichi.

Penguin just needs to post.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Here’s my tinfoil theory. Scum figured out Maria was really Merlin and is trying to frame Kokichi for it but it’s blatantly obvious that Maria knew he was Merlin, or she 100% would have exposed him

So, scum might be someone who wanted to get him mislynched and kill me, the next obvtown tonight.

So, who, figured it out? That’s likely scum.

But It’s not hard, we remove us from the pile and you then have Dunn, Gamma and Penguin and Chara, right?

So,we force 2 of those 4 to gladiate today.

HURT: Penguin

Why remove you+Varsoon?

I know my alignment. Is that a serious question?

As for Varsoon, I don’t eliminate him from suspicion. He is rn my strongest tr out of the available scumspects.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I actually think scum didnt know Maria was Merlin. And killed her thinking dunn was Arthur and I was Merlin.

So, maybe Pengin and Gamma, then?

I was damn sure Kokichi was Merlin and Maria was Arthur. And don’t try to argue someone else took over because I’ve backed down on pushing my preferred kill in the past and it has worked out poorly.

???

[Nancy Drew 39]

LLD was town tho what ~ Gamma

So?

[Nancy Drew 39]

asking you for a scumgame wasn't me thinking you were scum. it was wanting to reaffirm my own townread which was based on what i thought was really honest posting from you and from towngames i'd seen from you.
lack of confidence in my own reads aside.

HEAL: Chara

For now

[Nancy Drew 39]

I actually think scum didnt know Maria was Merlin. And killed her thinking dunn was Arthur and I was Merlin.

So, maybe Pengin and Gamma, then?

I was damn sure Kokichi was Merlin and Maria was Arthur. And don’t try to argue someone else took over because I’ve backed down on pushing my preferred kill in the past and it has worked out poorly.

there's really no need to argue that someone else took over the kill if one could argue you were lying about being sure who was who.

I didn’t even understand what he was even talking about.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I actually think scum didnt know Maria was Merlin. And killed her thinking dunn was Arthur and I was Merlin.

So, maybe Pengin and Gamma, then?

I was damn sure Kokichi was Merlin and Maria was Arthur. And don’t try to argue someone else took over because I’ve backed down on pushing my preferred kill in the past and it has worked out poorly.

there's really no need to argue that someone else took over the kill if one could argue you were lying about being sure who was who.

I didn’t even understand what he was even talking about.

Make that EITHER of you.

[Dunnstral]

Gamma is saying he's not scum because he thought Maria was Arthur and Kokichi was Merlin, and that he wouldn't let his scum partners choose the kill, Chara is saying that doesn't matter if someone can argue that Gamma is lying about thinking Maria was Arthur and Kokichi was Merlin

[Dunnstral]

And I didn't make LLD gladiate Maria day 1, I didn't even scumread Maria day 1

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma is saying he's not scum because he thought Maria was Arthur and Kokichi was Merlin, and that he wouldn't let his scum partners choose the kill, Chara is saying that doesn't matter if someone can argue that Gamma is lying about thinking Maria was Arthur and Kokichi was Merlin

Oh okay.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And I didn't make LLD gladiate Maria day 1, I didn't even scumread Maria day 1

I never said you MADE her do anything. What I did say, was that she used that comment of yours, to partially justify her Maria gladiate.

But tbf, from LLD’s perspective and everyone else’s, that’s kind of what it looked like.