micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[skitter30]

The fact that you seem to be combative against me for this instead of actually understanding what I meant right when I called you out is something I don't really appreciate.

also idk if 'coimbative' is the right word here; i'm trying to explain that idk why you cared so much - i get that you wanted to know why i voted you instead of like tw but there wasn't really much reasoning for it beyond looking at the pl and picking someone at random

i don't really know what you think you 'called me out' on, that you think i'm being combative in response to

and i apologize if you think i'm getting too agressive or combative but i don't really think i crossed any lines here?

[Nibbui]

By "combative" I mean you're trying to somewhat question me and paint some of my posts in a negative light when I don't think it would be the natural approach to read them the way you are reading.

(For example, how come you say that I was "feeling natural about getting guilted" in a post where I'm scum claiming? You could argue that scum claiming is scummy but that wasn't your argument).

I don't think we crossed the lines, no. I'm just feeling like my tone is too aggressive (not yours) but I don't know how to tone it down without losing impact on my push like what happened in Open 741.

something to reflect on I guess.

[skitter30]

"it felt a little defensive"

What defensive has anything to do what you said honestly?

You said that it sounded like I was saying "they got a guilty on me" as if it was natural for me to consider that a cop check on me would result on a guilty.

What you said had nothing to do with me being defensive, rather, you were saying as if I was kind of scum slipping in a post where I was joking about being scum.

It makes no sense this far and the fact that you just tried to paint what you said with a different color is again something I don't find positive.

You're free to point out if you think I'm misrepping you or something and why.

it had some tinges of - hey they're already wagoning me so i better do something to defuse it; i'll joke about them having caught me already it was specifically the 'already' that felt a little weird to me, it gave the sentence a bit of a connotation of like surprise/annoyance that people were wagoning you already. like the 'already' kinda connoted validation almost - that it happened already. i think i'm doing a bad job explaining this

You shouldn't suddenly wagon me like that because I almost thought someone

already

had a Night 0 guilty on me!

^^^^ the already gives off the connotation that a guilty wouldn't be the wrong result, that you kinda think that there's a possibility that this may happen in the future

i'm aware that i'm reading into connotations but that's the vibe that it gave off to me and i'm trying to articulate what exactly was bothering me about it

[skitter30]

Like, and here you are questioning me about things I already talked about?

I already explained why RVS isn't entirely random.

I already explained as well my "reasoning" about questioning your vote.

Instead of arguing about my explanations you bring out those questions already answered again.

(i dont post as fast as you, sorry)

yes, i get that you're trying to explain that you think that rvs isn't really random and that some reasoning somewhere went into it

i'm explaining that there wasn't really for me. i really did just pick a name

you're saying that i'm getting defensive by drawing attention to the fact that you're waiting for some sort of explanation, whereas i feel like i'm not really getting across my response to your point of: 'i don't think rvs is truly random' - i'm saying that for me, this vote was

[skitter30]

I don't think we crossed the lines, no. I'm just feeling like my tone is too aggressive (not yours) but I don't know how to tone it down without losing impact on my push like what happened in Open 741.

also i think you're fine

[Nibbui]

Yeah, you honestly took long enough to explain properly this and even said about it being "defensive".

I can see why the "already" could be interpreted the way you did, but it is weird to try to read in a joke scum claim in that way. Most of the time the "already" would just and only be interpreted as it being "too soon" since we were at page 1.

I don't think it's reasonable though to interpret the joke post as a way to "defuse" my wagon. Defuse what in the first place honestly? It's a RVS wagon, there's nothing for me to do there or to be afraid. There's not even a way for me to defuse since there is no in-game reason for the votes on me.

Also, how scum claiming would help you guys change of idea anyway?

I mean, this argument doesn't sound organic Skitter.

It got a bit better, but still feels that you just tried to say something to shade me and now is having trouble finding a proper explanation.

[InfiniteSoda]

Just getting a quick vote in during my 5-minute internet access at the public library

VOTE: Mastina

[sheepsaysmeep]

Sheep, do you think it's towny for you to go out of your way to check out my games or it's inside your scum range?

what would you say?

i do ask for meta as both alignments

when im scum i usually dont really read it in depth like i do as v; instead i just find something to say about it

[skitter30]

no, it means that i didn't find the right words to explain what i was thinking the first time around

like something was bothering me - the joke felt wrong.

the next task is articulating why it's bothering me. it's gut. i'm bad at articulating my gut

this feels a little bit like you think a guilty on you wouldn't be the wrong result?

i intiially had the vibe that you felt like a guilty wouldn't be wrong, but i didn't figure out why until i went back to figure out where i was getting that from

additionally, it felt a little bit like you were trying to figure out how to respond to the wagon on you - that's where the defensive came from. yes, i didn't mention that in the first place. i don't think i was coming up with new reasons, more like i didn't figure out everything that was bothering me about it till later and till i continued talking about it, but i can understand why you read it that way

so then you objected, so i went back to see where what exactly was giving me that vibe, and find the word that gave me that connotation

i can understand why you don't like it but for me to articulate my gut i kinda just ramble at it until i realize i articualted what was bothering me about it in the first place

[Nibbui]

you're saying that i'm getting defensive by drawing attention to the fact that you're waiting for some sort of explanation, whereas i feel like i'm not really getting across my response to your point of: 'i don't think rvs is truly random' - i'm saying that for me, this vote was

I somewhat like this part.

I would like it way more if you had said so from the begin though.

I'll mull over this 1v1 if you don't have anything to say about it anymore but yeah, although I can see your approach here as we just misunderstanding each other, right now I feel like your thought process (specially about the joke post) was unnatural and done when the game state seemed against me, but now that it somewhat changed, you had trouble explaining it properly.

I'm not going to tunnel, but that is my feeling right now.

[skitter30]

you're saying that i'm getting defensive by drawing attention to the fact that you're waiting for some sort of explanation, whereas i feel like i'm not really getting across my response to your point of: 'i don't think rvs is truly random' - i'm saying that for me, this vote was

I somewhat like this part.

I would like it way more if you had said so from the begin though.

I'll mull over this 1v1 if you don't have anything to say about it anymore but yeah, although I can see your approach here as we just misunderstanding each other, right now I feel like your thought process (specially about the joke post) was unnatural and done when the game state seemed against me, but now that it somewhat changed, you had trouble explaining it properly.

I'm not going to tunnel, but that is my feeling right now.

i mean i thought i was saying that the entire time, and was feeling like you weren't understanding me throughout

yeah i dont' have much else to say

i think we both kinda misunderstood where the other was going with this (ie you thought i had some reasoning that i didn't have; i thought you were pushing me over nothing since i felt like i didn't really have other reasoning to give)

i don't think my thought process was unnatural, but rather that i did a bad job explaining what i meant the first time around

[Nibbui]

no, it means that i didn't find the right words to explain what i was thinking the first time around

like something was bothering me - the joke felt wrong.

the next task is articulating why it's bothering me. it's gut. i'm bad at articulating my gut

this feels a little bit like you think a guilty on you wouldn't be the wrong result?

i intiially had the vibe that you felt like a guilty wouldn't be wrong, but i didn't figure out why until i went back to figure out where i was getting that from

Yes, but the point that you tried to read a scum claiming post as some kind of unconscious scum slip is weird. I don't think you can ever claim that.

Maybe it is just your style and it would be nice if you said if you ever did something similar as town, otherwise It's hard to change my mind about this.

Even more when I was getting wolflean from the two active players at that moment, what is the perfect moment and situation to scum do some smart shade-throwing imo.

additionally, it felt a little bit like you were trying to figure out how to respond to the wagon on you - that's where the defensive came from. yes, i didn't mention that in the first place. i don't think i was coming up with new reasons, more like i didn't figure out everything that was bothering me about it till later and till i continued talking about it, but i can understand why you read it that way

so then you objected, so i went back to see where what exactly was giving me that vibe, and find the word that gave me that connotation

i can understand why you don't like it but for me to articulate my gut i kinda just ramble at it until i realize i articualted what was bothering me about it in the first place

Yeah, I'm mulling over this. Still would be good if you showed me a town game where you did something similar.

Also, have you ever done something similar to that as scum? (spicy question huh)

[skitter30]

Yes, but the point that you tried to read a scum claiming post as some kind of unconscious scum slip is weird. I don't think you can ever claim that.

that's the vibe i got

i understand why it's not rational but that's what it felt like to me

Yeah, I'm mulling over this. Still would be good if you showed me a town game where you did something similar.

Also, have you ever done something similar to that as scum? (spicy question huh)

if i was scum this conv wouldn't have happened; i would have avoided having it in real-time without perfectly being able to explain myself and to make sure what i was saying made sense; i don't think i can think of a scum example

town (not your jungle republic):

Subject: Open 713: Jungle Republic [Game Over]

I'll concede that it might look like I'm 'fumbling' a bit because it's gut and I try to articulate my gut instead of just proclaiming 'this is bad' without any further explanation, and sometimes it takes a bit to find the words I want. I disagree that I'm grasping at straws that your posts feel fake.

i have an appontment that i gotta go to; i'll be around later tho

[Nibbui]

Understood.

That's not really what I was looking for (I was looking for a case where you tried to grasp something on a joke post of someone) but I'll see it later.

[northsidegal]

/lazyposting

{nsg}
{tw, sheep}
{skitter}
{everyone else}
{nibbui}

[northsidegal]

sorry to pile onto you nibbui

[Nibbui]

wot

ok wait

explain your read on me NSG because I don't understand where you are coming from really

[Nibbui]

I was expecting you to actually town read me right off the bat to be honest so idk what to do with that readlist just now

[northsidegal]

word choice / toneread

i know normally i might get annoyed at this kind of reasoning if it was used against myself but even still i couldn't help but notice it: you used the word "hmmm" three times in your first three posts (with two in the third), and seven times so far in your 33 post ISO

obviously the word "hmmm" on its own isn't scum indicative (.... i think), but i think that kind of verbal tic is something worth looking at, especially in comparison to your other games.

again, i kind of hate this reasoning when it's used against me so sorry about that, but i can't just ignore it.

[northsidegal]

explain why you expected me to townread you?

[Nibbui]

Hmmm

Idk what to say to you because you're right that my tone is a bit different than for example in Open 741 (I mean, I change my tone almost every game).

I understand where you are coming from but it's a bit weird for you to put priority on that than something else.

Anyway, how confident you're on your scum read on me and what would you say that it's the towniest thing in my ISO so far?

[Nibbui]

explain why you expected me to townread you?

I can explain after you answer my new questions

a bit unfair I know but it's my condition

[Nibbui]

Ok actually...

I think I know where this is coming from but I can't explain yet because of site rules

that isn't

that

word though NSG.

Maybe I'm wrong but I've an idea of why you might be putting so much focus on a "word".

Not that I can help it that much right now, and maybe I'm just being dumb as well.

[northsidegal]

I understand where you are coming from but it's a bit weird for you to put priority on that than something else.

i wouldn't exactly say that i've "priority" on it over anything else, it was just something that popped out to me really quickly and was kind of quick to look at and compare to other games. i'm not taking it

over

any other method of reading you i suppose, it's just that i was being kind of lazy (just like i said)

Anyway, how confident you're on your scum read on me and what would you say that it's the towniest thing in my ISO so far?

-shrug-

my readslist like that is just an ordered list. i think you're more suspicious than everyone else right now, but that doesn't mean a lot considering over half the playerlist basically hasn't posted yet – in that sense, not very confident at all at the moment.

i would say the towniest thing in your ISO is probably how much you're posting already, although there is the argument that much of your posting has been back and forth conversations or direct questions that aren't exactly easy for you to ignore.

[northsidegal]

ah, one second.

i'll get back to you after doing a little research.