Mini Normal 2050: Serial Killers - Game Over

[sheepsaysmeep]

pr talk like that is a form of rolefishing

[mbaki]

to push a me/trekkie team felt agenda driven

The problem with this is it still predicates on Trekkie flipping scum, and if I am partners with Trekkie, Mew is town and therefore its unnecessary - especially when you would be an easy lynch after a Trekkie defense and a Mew mislynch. Think 5 moves ahead, and you'll realize why that doesnt make sense. It's the same kind of thing as your dadv argument; its stuff that works theoretically in bigger games with a larger scum team, but with two partners these tells just don't really work.

[mbaki]

pr talk like that is a form of rolefishing

Role fishing literally means looking for role information. That does not entice people to claim in any way, shape, or form.

[LolWagons]

I like Mbaki because he’s not afraid to make strong townreads but he doesn’t really buddy them.
I came out of my one on one with Podo feeling he was just frustrated town.
I’ve expressed I can’t read Gamma. My biggest townread (Dann) has expressed he’s town so I’m trusting that for now.

I don’t really feel sheep is scum even if Trekkie flips scum. To me the Trekkie/Mew pair still works better overall. Sheep has been really stream of consciousness through most of the thread and I feel like that’s a bit harder to fake. I still think Trekkie’s behavior towards me vs the mew-wagon eclipses any other person in terms of possible partners for Trekkie.

[mbaki]

mafia potentially have watcher

Mafia having watcher still guarantees Dan is alive at least 2 more nights; one to find the doc, one to kill them. Worst case scenario, but still not a huge deal in a game that's in all odds only going to have 2 to 4 nights.

[Dannflor]

I don't see what mbaki did as role fishing nor do I think suggesting a course of action really affects the game negatively for town beyond maybe some WIFOM arguments.

and once you started posting i just realized wait this guy exists and reread your iso and what i originally townread you for kinda felt more nai this time around? it wasnt actually me suddenly scumreading you but more me being like shit idk what to do with this slot anymore help me @lolwagons

So you're... Null reading mbaki now?

[sheepsaysmeep]

I don't see what mbaki did as role fishing nor do I think suggesting a course of action really affects the game negatively for town beyond maybe some WIFOM arguments.

and once you started posting i just realized wait this guy exists and reread your iso and what i originally townread you for kinda felt more nai this time around? it wasnt actually me suddenly scumreading you but more me being like shit idk what to do with this slot anymore help me @lolwagons

So you're... Null reading mbaki now?

using null to describe my position there would be kinda inaccurate

it's more just i have no idea how to read this slot aorn so i want my top townreads's thoughts

[LolWagons]

Mafia having a watcher would be silly but w.e

There was obviously more clout for Mew’s wagon than mine. I see no valid reason Trekkie wouldn’t push for his wagon if he were town. The only possibility I’m left with is they are partners.

[mbaki]

I like Mbaki because he’s not afraid to make strong townreads but he doesn’t really buddy them.
I came out of my one on one with Podo feeling he was just frustrated town.
I’ve expressed I can’t read Gamma. My biggest townread (Dann) has expressed he’s town so I’m trusting that for now.

I don’t really feel sheep is scum even if Trekkie flips scum. To me the Trekkie/Mew pair still works better overall. Sheep has been really stream of consciousness through most of the thread and I feel like that’s a bit harder to fake. I still think Trekkie’s behavior towards me vs the mew-wagon eclipses any other person in terms of possible partners for Trekkie.

Perfectly fair, and I am not saying I necessarily lynch Sheep over Mew (I know you didn't say I would). A discussion for tomorrow, though, if that is what it comes to. Ofhrz, Gamma, and Trekkie need to post before end of day - its Christmas, and I would guess that's why Podo, Ofhrz, and Gamma have been absent.

[sheepsaysmeep]

yeah that partner argument makes so much more sense than him being villagery for not voting the counterwagon now that i really think about it

i feel like taking a break from the thread because i literally have no idea anymore on slots like trekkie or mbaki

[sheepsaysmeep]

@trekkie can you talk about why youve been pushing wagons harder of your two wolfreads when he's not getting lynched over mew today?

[sheepsaysmeep]

im finna sheep you guys on mbaki rn tbh

more concerned about sorting out trekkie

[Dannflor]

I like Mbaki because he’s not afraid to make strong townreads but he doesn’t really buddy them.
I came out of my one on one with Podo feeling he was just frustrated town.
I’ve expressed I can’t read Gamma. My biggest townread (Dann) has expressed he’s town so I’m trusting that for now.

I don’t really feel sheep is scum even if Trekkie flips scum. To me the Trekkie/Mew pair still works better overall. Sheep has been really stream of consciousness through most of the thread and I feel like that’s a bit harder to fake. I still think Trekkie’s behavior towards me vs the mew-wagon eclipses any other person in terms of possible partners for Trekkie.

Gamma is probably town, though I've become increasingly frustrated with his play and wish he'd give any input on relevant things.

I think we have a lot to work off of given a Trekkie flip, if scum, we look at Mew or Sheep, if town, we look at Ofhrz.

@Sheep, do you still oppose a Trekkie lynch in favor of Mew? Do you think a Mew lynch gives us more information?

I echo mbaki's thoughts however and we should get everyone weighing in before a lynch, could result in good info to go on if there are any surprises Day 2.

[sheepsaysmeep]

mew is my tunnel

i would lynch mew over everyone

however, i dont oppose a trekkie lynch and would be fine with it/would vote there if a mew lynch isnt happening

[sheepsaysmeep]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77801

this is the only completed game that trekkie has on site

he was a mafia who was mechanically guiltied after he replaced into a slot that claimed dcotor

i actually have a seom form of an opinion on him meta-wise after reading his posts in there and i want to hear both of dann/lolwagons thoughts on it before i say smtg because i want your unaffected by confbias opinions

[sheepsaysmeep]

trekkie's stuff about mew:

he thinks theres a good case on mew

he has mew as very strong town

when the wagon's on him he suddenly finds a reason to put mew as scum which jsut feels like very classic antispew

kinda feels too easy but it's really damning

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the fact I just got thirteen or so paragraphs of pushback from Mew and Trekkie without them voting me after asking Dann for an opinion on a single possible associative tell is all I need to tell me that town is on the right track.

Trekkie’s suggestions that Mew and I might be scum together while not voting either of us even though one has a wagon on them is also pretty telling.

This is a post I think I can agree with
If this is inaccurate to the gamestate someone tell me cos I’m gonna roll with this now

[Dannflor]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77801

this is the only completed game that trekkie has on site

he was a mafia who was mechanically guiltied after he replaced into a slot that claimed dcotor

i actually have a seom form of an opinion on him meta-wise after reading his posts in there and i want to hear both of dann/lolwagons thoughts on it before i say smtg because i want your unaffected by confbias opinions

It's not a lot to go on but his half-hearted vote on Flavor Leaf matches up with his less than stellar vote on Gamma Emerald in this game. I'd say the meta fits scum but I wouldn't use it as strong supporting evidence.

[sheepsaysmeep]

this is why i asked for your opinion first

you kinda reversed what i was going to say lol

[sheepsaysmeep]

i thought he was really derpy there/didnt know what to do compared to here where i thought he was posting more logically/solvingly

but yeah you reminded me why i originally scumread him which was for how awkward some of the things he posted early were

[Gamma Emerald]

Pre-flip associations have just hit the thread by storm. Heavy weather ahead.

The last post before this just busted this. Nice shade.

[LolWagons]

I’d also like to point out while Mew and Trekkie were both in here discussing issues with me their only two interactions both came out forced.

One was Mew asking Trek “what he thought of Lolwagons interactions with you” and the other was the obvious distancing thing I pointed out where Mew said no one was listening to his reads. There was another earlier other post where Mew just posted “explain???” As well.

If it’s not those two they’ve done a phenomenal job looking like textbook partners distancing.

[sheepsaysmeep]

gamma vote mew with me

it's lonely here we have room

[Dannflor]

i thought he was really derpy there/didnt know what to do compared to here where i thought he was posting more logically/solvingly

but yeah you reminded me why i originally scumread him which was for how awkward some of the things he posted early were

I mean I would consider his play this game really awkward/derpy if he's town. Anything he's done after I started pressuring him and especially during the whole LolWagons vs. Mew/Trekkie fiasco fits that MO.

[Trekkie99]

and the other was the obvious distancing thing I pointed out where Mew said no one was listening to his reads.

Yeah what was with that? Very rude.