micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[Nibbui]

sheep you're making my life harder here but it's ok I guess

I'm surprised by your play a bit though, I expected you be more memey (and I like the fact you're not).

I vaguely remember seeing a game of you where you were spamming "meep" a lot and not engaging. (although I think it was funny)

your playstyle here is a good surprise.

[Pink Ball]

I did know you from before. I would like you not althunt publicly.

sorry, I don't like the consequences of althunting but there is a thrill on alt hunting.

Sorry again though I'll not do this again.

About the metaread, I explained myself better while interacting with sheep. I was way too aggresive in my first post. Did you read that "1v1"? What's your take on there?

Your 1v1 with TW or sheep?

Are you aware that the duck could be faking his interactions with you knowing the same you told me? If you know that both of you are aware of eachother, he could use that, right?
P-edit: @Nibbui

I'm not only aware but mulling over it. I just feel that his interactions are inside both his scum range and town range though. Maybe some are more scum leaned, but some are more town leaned as well (we can talk about this).

The "town" part of my "nulltown" on him is mostly because he superficially feels fine and although that's, of course, superficial, I think it's better to leave it at that for now.

1. Don't worry, I don't care that much, and if you want you can PM me to see if you're right (I think is fair to tell someone if he did his alt hunting correctly). Maybe after finishing the game would be appropiate.

2. My 1v1 with sheep. I used quotation marks 'cause I don't think it was a 1v1 per se.

3. My problem is that, as far as I'm concerned, the worst always superficially feels fine; that's charisma baby. I try to look at the worst's motivations behind his posting in order to get a better read on him, and what I've seen at this point is he's behind your back.

[skitter30]

Of course I'm not answering questions.

If I felt like answering questions, I would be answering questions.

If I wanted people to understand what I was thinking, I would make effort to make them understand what I am thinking.

But I don't want to make that effort, for a specific reason.

This is actually the most serious thing I've said.
I've been messing around a lot, I've been just talking, having some fun, being casual, while dropping hints, while giving some semblance of an idea of what I mean, but to be dead serious and drop the jokiness altogether.
I'm wanting people to do a few particular things, mostly related (I almost said "one particular thing" before realizing it's not actually just one), but which take time and this strategy to go about with.

eh fair enough

it's a little annoying but it's also fairly close to the beginning of the game; so long as you become less obtuse as things progress you do you

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Why are you scumreading a slot that has done nothing to be either town or scumread? Your vote is awful and you know it, Nibbui

this is kinda a bad reaction to nibbui's vote tbh
it's way too defensive for a single vote on you

and this feels like way too bravado-y / 'trying to project confidence-y'

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Hey NSG, I was doing a metadive on Nibbui for the same reason (he uses the word "honestly" and "to be honest" way too much"), but on Open 741 he used the word "honest" 15 times and he was alive for only one day, so I think we are working with town!Nibbui here.

how often does he say it in his scumgames?

and have ever before used word-usage/frequency as a basis for a read?

also i'm annoyed that i didn't end up sending my alt-guess

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Sheep says he metadives people as town; I have only ONE finished game, were surprise surprise, I was scum! If someone can tell me that I'm scum here analyzing that game, go on; you're wrong.

you do actually feel different to that game - a little more abrasive/aggressive here than there? idk if that's ai or a function of the fact that there you repped into a nearly doomed slot and you needed to ingratiate yourself with the other players to prolong your existance (and it worked for me), going aggressive would prob have been the wrong approach to take there

the worst is pocketing Nibbui, and it's not even hard to see.

uh i haven't gotten that vibe like at all tbh

the worst and sheep's interactions between them are pretty wolfy imo.

or this either?

The rest of the thread is basically "sheep's meta is this" or "this is town lol" or "hmmmm". But you're the one saying "notably towny",

??? i feel like other things happened this game and you're like handwaving it all away to highlight the notion that nsg's push on nibbui is 'one of the most solid points' in the game?

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@infinitesoda: have you read the game at all?

[Pink Ball]

Read the whole thread and tell me if you still think I'm being aggresive, skitter.

Of course other things have happened during the game, what I meant is that her approach was the most interesting thing I saw at that point. The 1v1 between you and Nibbui was longer than it should've been in my opinion.

[skitter30]

i think you started off kinda aggressive but tempered it when you started receiving pushback, and your reaction to sheep's vote on you was kinda meh

the way you wrote 'the rest of the thread is basically 'sheep's meta is this', or "this is town lol" or "hmmmm" ' to me felt like you were kinda playing down other things that happened, and since that was juxtaposed with your point wrt nsg, it felt to me like you were trying to emphasize how important/interesting/valuable you found her argument wrt nibbui

and sorry, i try not to take over the thread; i think i got a little frustrated there because i felt like he wasn't really understanding me, but i think we figured it out

[skitter30]

and i'm not trying to alt-hunt here

but is it usual for you to place so much emphasis on word-frequency? and had you looked at nibbui's scumgames to see how often he uses 'honestly' in those?

[Nibbui]

I re:read your 1v1 with sheep and with the TW as well, but let's focus on the one with sheep Pink.

There I see you being a bit angle by scum reading sheep because your argument is that since sheep likes to metadive he wouldn't have come to the conclusion that you're scum by your completed game.

However, it's not like sheep had read the game before or anything as far as I see, so your argument is a bit angle-y, Sheep seems to ask and do some quick meta check on some people but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with him reading your reaction at face value first.

The coincidence of your two scum leans being the two players to wolf read you is kind of meh, not necessarily scummy but "meh".

Sheep went full hysteric route though, his arguments are incosistent, although in the first post you talked a bit about self-meta you sounded like saying "you should town read me", it was a weak nuisance and later you explained you didn't mean that in that way.

Sheep didn't seem to awkwnoledge it though and kept painting what you said in a different way.

That's one of the reasons I'm avoiding the sheep slot a bit, it's full of WIFOM.

is his hysterism genuine or faked? hard to know and I hope meta can help me.

There are some other doubtful points about sheep but for now it's better to stay quiet about them.

[skitter30]

huh, i hadn't read sheep as being hysteric like at all?

i thought he looked a lot better than pink ball in that discussion actually

[Nibbui]

No he was.

He constantly say "Pink you are pointing to your scum game and telling me that I should town read you because of it" when Pink never said that. Most of we read first Pink's post about meta that way but it was something more interpretative/implied.

Later Pink even explain more about his argument and it's different from that although like I said it's angle-y.

[skitter30]

what do you mean by 'hysteric'?

(you're not a native english speaker, right?

i realized that you prob weren't at some point yesterday and that i consequently probably placed too much emphasis on your diction and that i was reading connotations you prob didn't intend, which is partially why i dropped it)

[skitter30]

also i did feel like pink ball pre-emptively brought up his prior game when nobody had really been talking about meta-diving him:

Sheep says he metadives people as town; I have only ONE finished game, were surprise surprise, I was scum! If someone can tell me that I'm scum here analyzing that game, go on; you're wrong.

like this was kinda brought up in reference to the fact that sheep had said he metadives people in general and nibbui in particular, but nobody was really bringing up metadiving pink ball - it felt a little to me like he wanted to use that game to say 'hey look i'm playing super differently from that game so you shouldn't scumread me here!!!1!'

and i thought sheep was correct to call him on that

[sheepsaysmeep]

Sheep says he metadives people as town; I have only ONE finished game, were surprise surprise, I was scum!

If someone can tell me that I'm scum here analyzing that game, go on; you're wrong.

I was talking specifically about sheep scumreading me when he has openly said that he metadives as town, and it pings me that, if he did metadive me, he's not using meta on me because

it would be difficult to scumread me because of meta (because I don't have much and because how I'm playing here is very different to my scum game)

the fact that he tried to push me off of that also made it worse for me

[sheepsaysmeep]

hysteric is not the word youre looking for?

[skitter30]

He constantly say "Pink you are pointing to your scum game and telling me that I should town read you because of it" when Pink never said that. Most of we read first Pink's post about meta that way but it was something more interpretative/implied.

i mean i'm not sure if pnk ball literally said that, but that was definitely what he was trying to imply with the quote i pulled in the post above

[skitter30]

*three posts above, whatever

[Nibbui]

I disagree about sheep sounding better in that discussion as well. I think it was somewhat negative for both but a bit more to sheep.

p-edit: yes, I'm not a native english speaker and by "hysteric" I mean he was "overreacting" and "refusing to listen to reason because of his biased feelings about Pink"

his argument to be pushing Pink kind of never happened in the first place and he refused to acknowledge it.

I can understand anyone that finds Pink first post reaction to the wagon scummy though. I find null for now tbh.

[Nibbui]

Sheep was correct to call that out in the first post skitter, and I'm not arguing against that.

It's still very interpretative and if you look at the next post from Pink after the one you quoted (where he explain his argument), if you go back to the post you quoted you can see it in a different light.

Sheep refused to acknowledge that though, or didn't even bother to read.

[Nibbui]

"If someone can tell me that I'm scum here analyzing that game, go on; you're wrong."

You can read this as "If you look at my completed game you can see why I'm not scum here"

but you can read this as "If you try to use that game to say that I'm scum here, you're wrong". (basically saying that you shouldn't scum read him using the completed game as reference)

This is the difference and someone paying attention to Pink's post explaining what he meant would understand that.

[sheepsaysmeep]

im reading the next post and i dont see what yorue referring to that's supposed to be cleared up

[sheepsaysmeep]

you sniped me

[sheepsaysmeep]

OHHHH

[sheepsaysmeep]

meh that doesnt really resolve the problems i had with it thoguh

a bit better but yeah why would he care about a meta scumread before anyoen else has brought up meta

[Nibbui]

I'm surprised skitter didn't seem to realize that

and it's a negative surprise

meh that doesnt really resolve the problems i had with it thoguh

a bit better but yeah why would he care about a meta scumread before anyoen else has brought up meta

and that's why I said his argument is kind of angle-y

because you metadived me he seems to automatically have taken that you would have meta dived him already when you first voted him when you actually seemed to only be reading his reaction to the wagon at face value.

correct me if I'm wrong Pink.

[Nibbui]

3. My problem is that, as far as I'm concerned, the worst always superficially feels fine; that's charisma baby. I try to look at the worst's motivations behind his posting in order to get a better read on him, and what I've seen at this point is he's behind your back.

Yeah I know, my read on him is like walking on eggshells and it took me long enough to come to a solid read and not flip flop on him between "nullscum", "nulltown", "nullscum", "nulltown" (what I did a lot with him in some games).

I'll try to look again from the "motivation" perspective and not only from the "organic" perspective of his posts if you say so though.

I want to wait and see for now however.

[skitter30]

sheep you're making my life harder here but it's ok I guess

I'm surprised by your play a bit though, I expected you be more memey (and I like the fact you're not).

I vaguely remember seeing a game of you where you were spamming "meep" a lot and not engaging. (although I think it was funny)

your playstyle here is a good surprise.

ok that's kinda what i thought you meant wrt hysteric, or something along those lines

i still disagree; i thought he came off a lot better than pink ball did, and i thought the basis of his push had merit

You can read this as "If you look at my completed game you can see why I'm not scum here"

but you can read this as "If you try to use that game to say that I'm scum here, you're wrong". (basically saying that you shouldn't scum read him using the completed game as reference)

am i getting this right?

you're arguing that:
* sheep read the quote as: it should be apparent from that game that i'm not scum here (this is how i read it)
* pink meant it as: i only have one game so the whole notion of meta-ing me is kinda silly

i mean ok, sure, but that doesn't really address the fact that bringing up meta to defend himself against something that nobody was really pushing him fro