micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[schadd_]

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[schadd_]

oops i mean, . this was a pre-meditated portion of my closed theme setup that i have determined to push game balance toward a reasonable interval

[Pink Ball]

Reading page 13: skitter, I didn't defend myself talking about meta. I said that sheep was scumreading me and he didn't specified why, and since he said he usually metadived people, I said that if he was scumreading me because of meta, he would be wrong. So I didn't bring up meta to defend myself, rather saying that if that's why sheep was pushing me, it would be wrong. It was an assumption.

Nibbui: you're right, just read what you said and that was my point. Also, fair enough about pushing the duck, who do you want to push then?

[Pink Ball]

kinda half caught up

willing to policy {bunk bill, infinitesoda} because i cbf reading thru bill's irritating bravado and rhetoric
think wolves are more like {nsg, ???}

VOTE: nsg

If you have a problem with the way I'm playing I can replace out. Talking about policy lynches is horrible.

[Pink Ball]

Yeah...

Hmmm Pink, it would help if you explained your sheep scum read on more detail here and not only coming from the assumption that he would have meta dived you when I don't think he would have done that as either alignment at that point.

I'm not scumreading him, never was. I said that I had no strong reads at that moment and put sheep on scumlean in my readlist. Yes, sheep's explanation succesfully confirmed that he was not voting me because of metadiving, but his explanation was incosistent. Let's look at this:

mastina isnt wolf anymore just very very interesting

pink ball is wolf

i went through that w game earlier and it is pretty different but it doesnt really change that much for me for reasons i explained earlier and with how you started talking lamist-y about how youre so obviously meta v here that if you are w youve been intentionally making it noticably different anyway

youve also responded poorly to votes and i want to maintain the pressure

He said I was wolf before I did anything. Then he says "but it doesn't really change that much for me for reasons I explained earlier", which is not true since there was no explanation whatsoever at that point, he points out the misrep that I explained then (that's ok the misrep was fair at that point, not later when I explained myself), and then says I responded poorly to votes which I don't agree: I just said to you that your vote was awful since I haven't done anything to be scumread (you said you voted me to get a reaction and I believe you, but that doesn't make my commentary a "poor response") and asked NICELY not to form a wagon on me when I haven't even started playing since who the f*** wants to start playing a game like that.

So yes, at first my scumlean on sheep was because of the meta thing but it's not anymore. I'm still suspecting him because of the lack of consistency when he talked with me, and I must say, it's a gutread too.

[sheepsaysmeep]

"reasons i explained earlier" was reasons that meta reading you here was stupid

[sheepsaysmeep]

dude


idt it's even physically possible to mindmeld this much

did you hack my brain or something

youve also responded poorly to votes and i want to maintain the pressure

meh this was why i originally wolfread you

quote from tw is broken but it's re your post reacting to the vote on you and your response to the votes on you felt really unjustifiedly uncomfortable and concerned about whether you were a wagon

[Nibbui]

I get you Pink Ball, but you may be disconsidering how much your entrance post, at face value, can be read as scummy since we don't have a clear vision of your personality. It's like for example sheep's scum read on me in the begin, it's kind of irrational to scum read me for engaging in arguing given my reactive personality but without being able to clearly point that aspect of my personality with games, it's possible to get the impression I was being "LAMIST" and scummy.

I particularly think it's similar to how you reaction to the wagon is being read without considering that you just might be a bit disagreeable and probably would call it an awful wagon either way.

Maybe scum!you even would have projected a more "I don't care about pressure or votes, I'm relaxed you see" stance.

[Nibbui]

kinda half caught up

willing to policy {bunk bill, infinitesoda} because i cbf reading thru bill's irritating bravado and rhetoric
think wolves are more like {nsg, ???}

VOTE: nsg

Duck I can be wrong but I don't think I've ever see you taking such a...how to call it...lazy approach?

I talked about policy lynching and tried to sound waiting for consensus acceptance to proceed on my ways purposely to sound scummy but instead of calling me out, you don't give it much importance and even proceed to say that policy lynching Pink Ball is fine?

About your NSG read, I know you despise the reasoning, but I wish you could think more deeply about what is in NSG's ISO and tell me what insights you were able to come to.

[Pink Ball]

"reasons i explained earlier" was reasons that meta reading you here was stupid

dude


idt it's even physically possible to mindmeld this much

did you hack my brain or something

youve also responded poorly to votes and i want to maintain the pressure

meh this was why i originally wolfread you

quote from tw is broken but it's re your post reacting to the vote on you and your response to the votes on you felt really unjustifiedly uncomfortable and concerned about whether you were a wagon

Oooh ok got it, I take away the "no explanations given" then, sorry

[Pink Ball]

I get you Pink Ball, but you may be disconsidering how much your entrance post, at face value, can be read as scummy since we don't have a clear vision of your personality. It's like for example sheep's scum read on me in the begin, it's kind of irrational to scum read me for engaging in arguing given my reactive personality but without being able to clearly point that aspect of my personality with games, it's possible to get the impression I was being "LAMIST" and scummy.

I particularly think it's similar to how you reaction to the wagon is being read without considering that you just might be a bit disagreeable and probably would call it an awful wagon either way.

Maybe scum!you even would have projected a more "I don't care about pressure or votes, I'm relaxed you see" stance.

Ok, good explanation. I'm moving sheep up to a solid null read where gut says "LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH" and mind says "hey, chill, skitter has been scummier than this fella".

[sheepsaysmeep]

meh it's cool i guess we both misinterpreted each other lol

[Nibbui]

kinda half caught up

willing to policy {bunk bill, infinitesoda} because i cbf reading thru bill's irritating bravado and rhetoric
think wolves are more like {nsg, ???}

VOTE: nsg

If you have a problem with the way I'm playing I can replace out.

You should stay Pink Ball, you're a cool ball here imo.

I get you Pink Ball, but you may be disconsidering how much your entrance post, at face value, can be read as scummy since we don't have a clear vision of your personality. It's like for example sheep's scum read on me in the begin, it's kind of irrational to scum read me for engaging in arguing given my reactive personality but without being able to clearly point that aspect of my personality with games, it's possible to get the impression I was being "LAMIST" and scummy.

I particularly think it's similar to how you reaction to the wagon is being read without considering that you just might be a bit disagreeable and probably would call it an awful wagon either way.

Maybe scum!you even would have projected a more "I don't care about pressure or votes, I'm relaxed you see" stance.

Ok, good explanation. I'm moving sheep up to a solid null read where gut says "LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH" and mind says "hey, chill, skitter has been scummier than this fella".

I'm interested in your opinion about skitter, even more when you initially was town leaning her.

[skitter30]

nsg is wolfy, pink ball is wolfy, infinite soda's popin kinda bothered me with it's timing but subject to change a lot in either direction once they start posting actual content

kinda hoping this has both wolves
outside chance of skitter but she's also like very slightly towntelling too

you're not like actively scummy but like idk if i townread you either if that makes sense

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infinitesoda kinda strikes me as lynchbait tbh; i'd prefer to wait a bit (like a few days irl) to see if he flakes or not before suggesting pls on him

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kinda half caught up

willing to policy {bunk bill, infinitesoda} because i cbf reading thru bill's irritating bravado and rhetoric
think wolves are more like {nsg, ???}

VOTE: nsg

this post pings me the wrong way
i don't know why rn

and suggesting a pl against pb because you don't want to read his posts is kinda :/

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Reading page 13: skitter, I didn't defend myself talking about meta. I said that sheep was scumreading me and he didn't specified why, and since he said he usually metadived people, I said that if he was scumreading me because of meta, he would be wrong. So I didn't bring up meta to defend myself, rather saying that if that's why sheep was pushing me, it would be wrong. It was an assumption.

eh ok

i guess i can see that

when i read it the first time i read it more like - you were defending against an argument nobody had made, which kinda bothered me

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and then says I responded poorly to votes which I don't agree:

i still think this btw; your response to the nibbui's initial vote against you was weirdly bravado-y / over-confident-y, as was how you responded to sheep continuing to push you

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Ok, good explanation. I'm moving sheep up to a solid null read where gut says "LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH" and mind says "hey, chill, skitter has been scummier than this fella".

idk you want to talk about it?

[Pink Ball]

I'm still townleaning her, acting scummy =! being scum. That's the point; I was scumleaning the sheep even when one of my townleans was being scummier than him.

But if I have to explain, skitter seems to be fencesitting a bit. She only voted you on RVS, then unvoted, said that you are probably town, so is the sheep, and she started pushing me but didn't vote. It's like she's being too damn careful with her votes and I'm not used to that coming from her. She usually focus on one person at a time when she's town and it's not like she CHOOSES who to focus on, it just happen because something pings her; here it seems like she's choosing who to focus on (first you, now me).

But those are details compared to her content and tone. She's just being scummier than usual, that's all. I don't see major differences between other town!skitter games.

p-edit: this was in response to Nibbui, but it serves for you too as well, skitter. Do you agree with this?

[skitter30]

i could see why you think i might be fence-sitting, although i'm not really doing it on purpose

i'm feeling a little out-of-sync and i don't feel like i've found anything to really like *dig* into yet, and i'm noticing that i'm getting caught up in arguments for the sake of arguments which i don't really like doing and it isn't really helping me solve the game so i'm a little ???? and not sure where to go now; this isn't usually how i approach the game and i'm not sure where the disconnect is (i figured out i was feeling this like this afternoon and while i was writing the above post; at the same time i realized that i think i'm a little burnt out and that i might need a bit of a break from mafia after this). like i'm kinda reading the game and most of what i'm reading doesn't feel remarkable to me? or like i feel like i don't really have much to comment on? or that everything i'm reading just kinda is? idk

right now i'm trying to sort you and your tone/aggression/responses to votes on you feel bad but i'm starting to get the vibe that it might be a personality thing so idk

i don't really feel like i'm being careful with my votes, so much as i don't strongly scumread anyone yet

i like town!sheep and town!nibbui rn and those are the main reads i feel good about
why are/were you townleaning me?

(i know secret-alt etc but i wish i knew who you were so i knew where your impression of my game stems from)

[Pink Ball]

and i'm not trying to alt-hunt here

but is it usual for you to place so much emphasis on word-frequency? and had you looked at nibbui's scumgames to see how often he uses 'honestly' in those?

Sorry forgot to address this: no, I don't like metadiving since I believe players are much more aware about their own meta than people think; the word-frequency thing was specifically because saying words such as "honesty" always pings me because I feel like scum wants to show honesty explicitly in a way to get trusted. I'm so aware about wording that I avoid using "to be honest" or "frankly" like a 100% as scum because of this, so I was proyecting that on Nibbui. It was more about that than the word-frequency, so no, I didn't count how much times he used the word in a scumgame; it was a logic thing: if Nibbui doesn't use "honestly" as town, I could have something, but I already had counter information about that so tonereading Nibbui was not were I wanted to go.

Just as an anecdote, I remember Nibbui using *shrug* and other related type of writting when he was scum and that called my attention at that time, but I don't think I would use that to read him.

[sheepsaysmeep]

idk what to do tw's policy lynch post is definitely pretty bad yeah


we're not policy lynching anyone in a 9 player game

also wrt infinitesoda from what he's done so far i think he looks pretty bad, but when he actually engages/interacts w people it's going to be much easier to get a stronger and more accurate read on him
so the real discomfort i have with that slot is there but i want to kinda give him that room rn

[skitter30]

right now i'm trying to sort you and your tone/aggression/responses to votes on you feel bad but i'm starting to get the vibe that it might be a personality thing so idk

also i thought you were player A, but your tone/annoyance/defensivenss doesn't match player A's towngame, which was throwing me off and making me low-key scumread you, but i'm beginning to think you aren't actually player A so i kinda need to re-evaluate out; that's why i think it might be a personality thing and not actually a scum thing like i was orignally; i'm still thinking about this

[sheepsaysmeep]

i feel like last night i was confbiased in reading tw and let him go too easily off of being comfortable when no one else was doing anything and it was basically jsut himself in thread?

he's more of a null/idk need more content rn i feel like i was defo underestimating him and his recent posting has been more laying low-y if that makes sense

[sheepsaysmeep]

i townread skitter and i genuinely have almost no idea why

[skitter30]

it's ok i have almost no idea why i'd be townread here either

[skitter30]

kinda why i was questioning nsg's readslist; idk where the null-line was but it looked like i was above it and i don't think i really left my scumrange at that point and she's like super paranoid of my scumgame (see: schadd's coalition) so i felt like it was a little too easy of townlean tbh

[Nibbui]

it's ok i have almost no idea why i'd be townread here either

I don't think I like this post tbh

you said you had done things you wouldn't do as scum before so how you don't see why you would be town read?

@Pink I don't know about other words, but I wouldn't look on "shrug" because I use it a lot albeit on discord

I've been somewhat avoiding using it in games though for something sort of dumb and personal but I may change that

[skitter30]

word choice / toneread

i know normally i might get annoyed at this kind of reasoning if it was used against myself but even still i couldn't help but notice it: you used the word "hmmm" three times in your first three posts (with two in the third), and seven times so far in your 33 post ISO

obviously the word "hmmm" on its own isn't scum indicative (.... i think), but i think that kind of verbal tic is something worth looking at, especially in comparison to your other games.

again, i kind of hate this reasoning when it's used against me so sorry about that, but i can't just ignore it.

Hey NSG, I was doing a metadive on Nibbui for the same reason (he uses the word "honestly" and "to be honest" way too much"), but on Open 741 he used the word "honest" 15 times and he was alive for only one day, so I think we are working with town!Nibbui here. I'm trying to sor now what's up with the word "feel" with Nibbui, since town!Nibbui usually "feels" things, and his discussion with Skitter seemed to be much more logical, but I'm inclined to believe this is town!Nibbui.

this post kinda feels like you're saying - his frequency of using 'honestly' matches his towngame so he might be town here?

which i guess felt a little weak to me? because unless you know how he uses it in his scumgame idk if it's actually an indicator that he's town

and i guess if you think people might be paranoid of using 'honestly' as scum, or of over-using it, why didn't you check whether or not that's true for him in a scumgame instead of looking at one of his towngames?

your logic feels a little twisty to me but i'm not sure if i've unraveled why yet