Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[Creature]

I legitimately could not remember a Leodanny post without searching his iso, but because of how activity requirements work on this site I believe they are technically meeting the minimum. It is the same reason why YYotta was technically not in violation of any rule aside from the spirit of the game.

They're not meeting the atleast 1 post in 2 days minimum.

[Creature]

Well, based on your above post, you believe I'm town. I agree with you on this one, so try convincing him of that?

Sure, bring him on the thread. I need more realtime man-to-man talks.

[OkaPoka]

i have been summoned

lets lynch mbaki

[mbaki]

Can you explain the town read anything past lynch bait?

Congratulations, you managed to ignore an entire quote

What did I ignore?

[Creature]

i have been summoned

lets lynch mbaki

[Creature]

Can you explain the town read anything past lynch bait?

Congratulations, you managed to ignore an entire quote

What did I ignore?

Ok I have like 50 questions now (most of them towards mbaki because what he says makes no sense and just comes off as anti-town)

-How am I at L-1? It takes 6 to lynch and I count 4 (DDL, mbaki, nc, & fish). Fish put me at L-2, not L-1.

-Ok really: was I the ONLY person annoyed at rb's wow's so much that I wanted to call them out on it?
But noooo it's scum!vork traitor hunting. How on earth is that a 'scum claim' or anything of the sort?

-Seriously- if you're going to use 'inexperience' as an argument for 'vork is scum', I'll do the same thing and say I'm so inexperienced I didn't even know traitor was a role. After all- 3 newbie games and no mafia 'traitors' in there.

-Why are you guys giving the lurksacks and fluffposters a huge pass and not pressuring them to say something?
Your entire game plan, reasoning, and logic basically hinges on ME to flip red, leaving you in a complete crisis with a third of the player cast unaccounted for when I flip green.

-Again: your claim to read rb's breadcrumbs is complete BS.
RB couldn't have '''crumbed''' me because I'm not scum.
How is rb's #17 ANY less valid than his alleged crumbing of me?

The way I see it: you found yourself an easy newbie scapegoat to lynch on D2.
It'll cause scum!mbaki no worries or issues whatsoever, it won't reveal ANY useful information ('oh noo suka's defending him' can go both ways and you know it), and scum is one mislynch closer to victory.

So please- can you explain to me (like I'm a complete newbie) how you got that I was """traitor-hunting""" and """scum-claiming""" from what I've said so far?

Vorkuta is lynchbait

[OkaPoka]

lets be honest

vorkuta is probs scum here, he asked if its a scumtell so I don't think he's looking for town pr crumbing and looking for town pr crumbs is kinda scummy on day 1?

but then again

mbaki is like super scum

[Creature]

i have been summoned

lets lynch mbaki

Is it still that fake crumb?

[OkaPoka]

+ the self vote

+ i really don't like his "elitist" (i dunno if there is a better word) attitude towards everyone when he doesn't deserve it. also im still confused over what he thinks about suka vs rest of playerlist.

[Creature]

It sounds more like you're pissed about his play, right?

[OkaPoka]

i dont think his play matches his words/tone/attitude

[Nero Cain]

it's MU. Of course, they are elitist.

[Creature]

i dont think his play matches his words/tone/attitude

What?

[OkaPoka]

i dont think self voting comes from a mbaki type of player

he explained his reason for doing so

but i dont think it should ever happen from a mbaki type of player

[OkaPoka]

at least a town mbaki

[Creature]

well I don't even know him, so how would you know?

[OkaPoka]

look at iso and posts

the guy straight up calls out people and entire playerlist for being bad. there's a certain player-type he fits into. the people who are very elitist about their play and think of themselves very highly. agree?

[Creature]

Yeah, and you're saying because of that he'll never self-vote as town and only as scum?

[DrDolittle]

Creature could be scum too.

wtf is this?

its one thing to call yourself town. another to be so incredulous that anyone is calling your scum. show me where is town-creature.

[OkaPoka]

yeah

his player type would probably look down on self voters

[OkaPoka]

i mean i look down on self voters too
which is why i would probably never self vote

but yeah that's the gist of it

[mbaki]

Can you explain the town read anything past lynch bait?

Congratulations, you managed to ignore an entire quote

What did I ignore?

Ok I have like 50 questions now (most of them towards mbaki because what he says makes no sense and just comes off as anti-town)

-How am I at L-1? It takes 6 to lynch and I count 4 (DDL, mbaki, nc, & fish). Fish put me at L-2, not L-1.

-Ok really: was I the ONLY person annoyed at rb's wow's so much that I wanted to call them out on it?
But noooo it's scum!vork traitor hunting. How on earth is that a 'scum claim' or anything of the sort?

-Seriously- if you're going to use 'inexperience' as an argument for 'vork is scum', I'll do the same thing and say I'm so inexperienced I didn't even know traitor was a role. After all- 3 newbie games and no mafia 'traitors' in there.

-Why are you guys giving the lurksacks and fluffposters a huge pass and not pressuring them to say something?
Your entire game plan, reasoning, and logic basically hinges on ME to flip red, leaving you in a complete crisis with a third of the player cast unaccounted for when I flip green.

-Again: your claim to read rb's breadcrumbs is complete BS.
RB couldn't have '''crumbed''' me because I'm not scum.
How is rb's #17 ANY less valid than his alleged crumbing of me?

The way I see it: you found yourself an easy newbie scapegoat to lynch on D2.
It'll cause scum!mbaki no worries or issues whatsoever, it won't reveal ANY useful information ('oh noo suka's defending him' can go both ways and you know it), and scum is one mislynch closer to victory.

So please- can you explain to me (like I'm a complete newbie) how you got that I was """traitor-hunting""" and """scum-claiming""" from what I've said so far?

Vorkuta is lynchbait

I didn't ignore a quote, you naked quoted a post and did no arguing for why Vorkuta is town.

[mbaki]

it's MU. Of course, they are elitist.

He won't say the words, but he's voting me as a mix of dislike and policy. Your time would be better spent debating with Kmd, if I revealed as ic Oka would still vote me.

[Creature]

yeah

his player type would probably look down on self voters

Can't guarantee he isn't the type of player that would self-vote and blame others later.

[mbaki]

The fact that you're REFUSING to consider that scum might've easily pinned the ""blunder"" on a newbie townie like me is very anti-town of you, and seeing as this is the ONLY thing you've done (after self-voting) this D2, my vote still stands.

Also, I'd like to point out the irony in Vorkuta saying I have done nothing aside from tunnel him on D2, when he has something like 6 posts today all of which are defending himself or voting me. He is playing reactively, not proactively, and since Oka is a surface level player there is a surface level read for you. He has done exactly 0 scumhunting. Day 1, he also voted me as a reaction to my push of him.

But, Oka thinks Vorkuta is scum and I am scum too. I think it is pretty clear we are not partners, though sure Oka, a random hard bus is possible and happens occasionally. It isn't a good strategy with newbies like Vorkuta because they aren't typically able to profess the level of confidence needed as scum, but I'm aware you don't have the experience to know that.



Oka, assuming Vorkuta and I aren't partners — and I believe you're the only player who's even considering that possibility — you agree Vorkuta is almost certainly scum, and even in your world you have to know it isn't

likely

we are the last two scum; so who is scummier? I know you are going to keep voting me, learning to admit when you're wrong takes practice; this is more educational for you to look back at post game.

i dont think self voting comes from a mbaki type of player

he explained his reason for doing so

but i dont think it should ever happen from a mbaki type of player

This whole thought process you've repeated shows critical thought, which leads me to believe you're the type of person that

will

take constructive criticism when needed.

vorkuta is probs scum here, he asked if its a scumtell so I don't think he's looking for town pr crumbing and looking for town pr crumbs is kinda scummy on day 1?

You are aware why Vorkuta is very likely scum. Your original reason for voting me was for the "crumbs," but now there are far more powerful crumbs that you yourself agree are very suspicious. Now, you are voting me from a mix of subconscious hate and confirmation bias. You are the only player voting me aside from Vorkuta, including Fish and Nero who I have actively fought with this game, the former on a personal level. People naturally vote with who they like, so what does this say about the fact those people are voting with me? I am annoyed that you showed no real response to the fact I spent my time writing a wall for your benefit.

And finally, to reply to this:

the guy straight up calls out people and entire playerlist for being bad.

generally only when prompted. I would stick to my main identity if I wanted to be able to leverage my skill as a way to get votes, but I don't really want to associate my play here with my play from my home sites because this site is impossible for me to perform on in my normal lighthearted manner.