Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[Suka]

Vorkuta vs mbaki vs Oka vs Creature is boring.

Bright/kmd makes more sense.

[DrDolittle]

that was your read on page 30. does the night kill/yyotta flip change any of that?

[Suka]

Yyotta flip was expected. I thought it was a bad lynch to begin with.

The nightkill isn't too surprising either. It changes my read on Varsoon to town. It doesn't impact my read on Vorkuta. Yes, his interactions with rb look bad but I don't think scum Vorkuta ever kills him. Oka's still too stupid to be scum.

mbaki might be scum but it's something I'd rather contemplate after lynching my top suspects.

[OkaPoka]

Can't guarantee he isn't the type of player that would self-vote and blame others later.

i guess i can't guarantee that? but that's not a scenario worth considering unless you can prove that he's like that.
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mbaki stuff
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sorry i didnt want to respond to your wall, i had originally written something up but i deleted it. anyways to summarize what i thought ->
i think its its cool your wrote all that but i dont believe it. its never optimal, and i think a player with your promised caliber should understand that self voting is never good except as scum.
everything else doesn't matter if that doesn't match so yeah
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ok assuming that it can only be one of you.
you.
here's the thing:
vorkuta's case is crumb.
but your case is crumb+doesn't match your worldview of the game. there's more meat to your case than vorkuta's
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i dunno about fish and nero
all it says is they prefer to lynch vorkuta over you, but it doesn't say anything about your alignment.
kinda seems like ill be voting vorkuta anyways today, but there are a lot of undecided people and lurkers so i can still get what i want so i dont need to compromise for something less optimal

[mbaki]

self voting is never good except as scum.

When is self voting good as scum, aside from hammering to limit information (not the same thing of course)

When you're in the newbie queue, you're taught self voting is never ideal. This is good, because newbies should not be self voting. They are also taught not to gambit, because the rule of thumb is it's not worth it, but gambitting is 100% situationally optimal in high level play. Self voting at the time was good, and then it wasn't so I moved my vote. Have you ever been in a game where scum self voted, got lots of town cred from that appeal to emotion, and then went on living for a while coasting from that? I've seen scum attempt to self vote once or twice, but it hasn't ever worked out because it is never good play.

The crumbs are not equal things, so that doesn't matter.

[mbaki]

Yyotta flip was expected. I thought it was a bad lynch to begin with.

The nightkill isn't too surprising either. It changes my read on Varsoon to town. It doesn't impact my read on Vorkuta. Yes, his interactions with rb look bad but I don't think scum Vorkuta ever kills him. Oka's still too stupid to be scum.

mbaki might be scum but it's something I'd rather contemplate after lynching my top suspects.

You are in la la land if you think you can vote a random other slot, not case it or try to convince people, and expect the lynch to not be myself or Vorkuta. Might as well just switch your vote back to me if you aren't going to proactively argue for your lynch, it's useless where it is now.

[mbaki]

What're your reads, Vorkuta?

I have a problem reading players like Varsoon, Creature, Leodanny, and Kmd, so I'd like to wait until they get back here.
My entire case is that: I'm not scum, yet people have decided that for whatever reason #181 has been misinterpreted as 'scum!vork is traitor hunting'
I'd like to see who supports this stance and who doesn't. From that I can decide whether it's scum coordinating a mislynch on me, or genuine townies reading this as scum behavior.

His response to a direct question acting for reads, yet again, is to not actually give a single read.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Dr Do Little

Money,
Mouth,
etc.

[Creature]

This progression:

wow VOTE: mbaki naked vote scummy imo..

wow mbaki wagon so good everyone should join me imo

doesn't lead to:

wow im always serious imo

mbaki confirmed scum

specially considering:

wow found mbaki's partners imo

easy game

[Creature]

VOTE: rb

Serious votes before a third of the cast reports in.
I like it

VOTE: rb

wow found mbaki's partners imo

easy game

[Kmd4390]

So are you going to place your vote on me, then? You sound like you've made your mind up long ago.

I think I'd prefer a suka Lynch to yours. If it has to be you or vorkuta then yeah I've pretty much decided.

Vote Suka

[OkaPoka]

i dont know what ur pointing at creature

can we go back to the better two wagons than whatever this is

[mbaki]

i dont know what ur pointing at creature

can we go back to the better two wagons than whatever this is

He's pointing at the fact rb's "crumbs" to me can't be crumbs because my partners can't be Creature and Vorkuta because there's only two scum left.

[OkaPoka]

i mean he can add a few extra names here and there as long as he gets the point across right?

if im traitor trying to crumb. all i have to do is get scumteam to know who i am and then i speak gibberish so its not fishy

thats kinda the point of us looking for his crumbs

[mbaki]

If you want to get really into it, traitors fake crumb to get people mislynched. Post 17 was in response to creature asking when we are serious, so it was prompted by word choice.

And you, Oka, now need to do leg work because people are voting outside of myself and Vorkuta. Good luck!

[OkaPoka]

grumble grumble

the outside voters don't even have a case

@creature
@suka
@kmd
@varsoon

make a nice solid post with some points detailing why this person is scum and why its superior to other wagons

[OkaPoka]

u know mbaki

ur starting to grow on me

unfortunate that you are probably scum

but i like u

[Nero Cain]

you know, each time I see Oka be all like "oh Vork os prob scum but lets not lynch him" just screams buddies that wants one last night action from Vork.

[mbaki]

you know, each time I see Oka be all like "oh Vork os prob scum but lets not lynch him" just screams buddies that wants one last night action from Vork.

Perhaps.

In a survey conducted by MIT (can't find the source), >90% of people tested believed they were in the top 50% of people in terms of intelligence.

http://teacher-mr-davis.yolasite.com/re ... SlxUdusaAo

At least Suka and Creature are never going to case, and Varsoon is hardly playing the game period, so good luck with that. I called Suka out already, but realistically people just don't case often.

The point of my last post was more to point out, there are now lots of people not even wanting to lynch in myself and Vorkuta, including 3 of the more experienced players in the game. This is because crumbs are not all that important for here, because clearly the crumbs weren't enough for the scum team to actually catch or the traitor wouldn't have been the night kill.

That

is on top of the fact players like rb could more than conceivably fake crumb, as they may have been consciously doing with me; fake crumbing is an effect strategy because traitors can't live until end game regardless and it gives their team stuff to work with.

I disagree, I think Vorkuta saw rb's "wow imo"s, falsely thought they were crumbs, and then didn't put enough value into a random early game interaction with rb. I also think Vorkuta was just a good bet for scum before today anyways. I think the way Vorkuta worded the question to rb, "are you scum" coming

right after

his "are you crumbing", is implicating. I think the fact that's the first usage of any variant of crumb/crumbs/crumbed/crumbing he's used on site is implicating.

You, Oka, disagree, because you think I'm scum. There's only 2 scum in this game, so not all of those 4 + myself and Vorkuta can be the scum, which means your position is falling. It is now on you to defend it, or to vote Vorkuta and accept that lynch over these random other vanity wagons that nobody's casing.

<3

[OkaPoka]

fuck it

VOTE: vorkuta

l1

get claim here.
anyone on stupid wagon needs to make stupid wagon less stupid by casing it.

[OkaPoka]

it is antitown not to case especially on a wagon you are starting by yourself
vanity wagons are useless

[Nero Cain]

I kind of agree with KMD that Vork killing RB is a little funky but not impossible. Like, its totally possible he (or his scumbuddy) forget about that interaction or didn't think that was a traitor interaction.

but I have for you, non-traitor hunting reasons for why Vork is scum.

Well what's an example of obv!town behavior?
And are you literally just clearing people based on... meta interactions, and RVS justification?

Scum that's trying to talk Creature down from his reads?

I'm willing to jump on the DDL wagon (when/if he comes back) even though it doesn't really make sense to me..

not scumhunting

It's an extremely frustrating slot to deal with, and if anything the support for/against her will give town something to go on.

flimsy reason to support the wagon, doesn't do anything with this.

If I can get a Yyotta policy wagon going, then I'll get on it.

still not scumhunting.

Not until I have even the slightest idea of who MIGHT be scum/town.

not scumhunting

Like you guys are just handing town reads out like participation trophies.

scum annoyed that town are town reading other town.

Right ok- what did I do that's scummy this time?

scummy response to being scumread.

[Nero Cain]

it is antitown not to case especially on a wagon you are starting by yourself
vanity wagons are useless

????

What is this even about?

[OkaPoka]

suka says casing is scummy

im saying why its anti town not to case

[Nero Cain]

OkaPoka conf!town in my books

scumbuddy town reading his scumbuddy b/c "scum would never do that"