Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

VC 2.6

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[5] Vorkuta

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DrDolittle 1006, mbaki 1104, Nero Cain 1107, BrightEyedFish 1122, OkaPoka 1269

[1] mbaki

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Vorkuta 1119

[1] Varsoon

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Creature 1033

[1] BrightEyedFish

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Suka 1168

[1] DrDolittle

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Varsoon 1257

[1] Suka

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Kmd4390 1260

[1] Not Voting

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Dannflor

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

The Day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-04 14:37:59)

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[Creature]

how is that a pr breadcrumb?

How can saying "wow" even be considered traitor crumbing?

[OkaPoka]

wow isnt the crumb

the point is vorkuta came into the game with the mindset of where dem crumbs at

[Creature]

Why would he point out the crumb in the game thread?

[OkaPoka]

ask him

in my mind its him trying to verify if rb was traitor or not

[OkaPoka]

Ok I have like 50 questions now (most of them towards mbaki because what he says makes no sense and just comes off as anti-town)

-How am I at L-1? It takes 6 to lynch and I count 4 (DDL, mbaki, nc, & fish). Fish put me at L-2, not L-1.

-Ok really: was I the ONLY person annoyed at rb's wow's so much that I wanted to call them out on it?
But noooo it's scum!vork traitor hunting. How on earth is that a 'scum claim' or anything of the sort?

-Seriously- if you're going to use 'inexperience' as an argument for 'vork is scum', I'll do the same thing and say I'm so inexperienced I didn't even know traitor was a role. After all- 3 newbie games and no mafia 'traitors' in there.

-Why are you guys giving the lurksacks and fluffposters a huge pass and not pressuring them to say something?
Your entire game plan, reasoning, and logic basically hinges on ME to flip red, leaving you in a complete crisis with a third of the player cast unaccounted for when I flip green.

-Again: your claim to read rb's breadcrumbs is complete BS.
RB couldn't have '''crumbed''' me because I'm not scum.
How is rb's #17 ANY less valid than his alleged crumbing of me?

The way I see it: you found yourself an easy newbie scapegoat to lynch on D2.
It'll cause scum!mbaki no worries or issues whatsoever, it won't reveal ANY useful information ('oh noo suka's defending him' can go both ways and you know it), and scum is one mislynch closer to victory.

So please- can you explain to me (like I'm a complete newbie) how you got that I was """traitor-hunting""" and """scum-claiming""" from what I've said so far?

[Nero Cain]

how is that a pr breadcrumb?

How can saying "wow" even be considered traitor crumbing?

thats not what was being said.

[Creature]

Vork: "Is this a breadcrumb?"
rb: "Yes"
Vork: "So are you a traitor?"
rb: "No, I'm a bird"

[OkaPoka]

what are u saying

[Creature]

Whatever

My ego is like too big to let scum win some amazing mislynch

[Creature]

I'll probably just delay this enough for Dann to catch up.

[Creature]

Meanwhile we should start hardpressing Varsoon. It's pretty fair to require someone to play or otherwise eat a lynch.

[Dannflor]

First of all, the case on mbaki is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've seen. The mbaki self vote is very clearly frustrated town. I don't see a world where scum!mbaki gets that outraged (because of poor town play) or somehow fakes outrage and then a few posts later cools down and gets back into the game. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by doing that for scum. Please do not make the argument that he faked the outrage for some contrived town cred because you can see the rage very clearly building up

because

of shitty townplay and a lack of activity. That's not something scum rages about, scum revel in that.

That leaves the rb "crumbs"... which... *sigh*

Let's look at rb's ISO, shall we?

wow im always serious imo

mbaki confirmed scum

wow scum trying to move people off the mbaki wagon imo

smh my head

it's just unfortunate that suka probably isn't town otherwise we'd have a townbloc imo

wow such a shame tbh

@rb- are you like... breadcrumbing with your 'wow's everywhere?
Is this your scumtell?

wow so true imo

Four potential "crumbs" directed at different people. Mostly calling people scum within the first 100 posts and then not really following up or playing it off as a joke. The odd one out is the one with Vorkuta, and the only one not initiated by rb. We'll come back to that. Like, you can make this crumbing argument with a LARGE number of players if you really try, which is possibly what rb wanted in case he died. Only scum knows who it was actually directed at if they caught it, rb doesn't have to be specific. Is one of the players he "crumbed" scum? Maybe. Is it enough to build a case on? I don't think so.

Now, look at the Vorkuta post. I'm not sure if Okapoka has been clouded by emotion or is just being intentionally obtuse, but since he's so fixated on these crumbs, I'm not sure why mbaki would be the preferred lynch to Vorkuta to him.

@rb- are you like... breadcrumbing with your 'wow's everywhere?
Is this your scumtell?

Who the fuck asks this? What town player asks this? Actually read this post and realize how much it doesn't make sense. Vorkuta asks if rb is breadcrumbing. Okay. Not ideal because it comes off as town PR fishing but forgivable for a newbie. Then he follows it up with "Is this your scumtell?" No one crumbs scum. The only reason you would ever crumb scum is if you were a traitor, and only scum would know there's a traitor in this game. Asking someone if their breadcrumbing isn't inherently the worst, asking someone if their scum isn't inherently the worst, but combined with rb's flip it looks really bad.

The thing holding me back from Vorkuta though, is it still doesn't make sense why Vorkuta would kill rb if he is scum. I am however surprised Oka isn't more fixated on this given how much importance seems to be attributed to these crumbs.

The problem with this game is that there's not really any or many overtly townie slots. In fact, most slots are scummy/lurky/not-helpful, or some combination of the three. Scum is having a field day with this and we got lucky they accidentally offed their traitor. So, watch me try to pull some tentative town reads out of this and try to make sense of the situation.

Mbaki is town. That's probably my most confident town read.
DrDoLittle is probably town given how much rb was pushing for him.
Okapoka is... town despite me hating his case. Mostly think he's just frustrated and not playing at a top level this game day. mbaki vs. Okapoka is very town vs. town.

I see Vorkuta is at L-1, and given ONLY his posting so far and the "crumb" I'd be satisfied with his lynch. However, I can't sign on to it when I'm left asking why on earth would he kill off rb after that exchange with him. It doesn't make sense to me and that's really holding me back from being okay with this.

If Vorkuta and mbaki are both town, scum definitely wants one of them lynched, as the game seems to be heading in a "first lynch one and then the other" direction, which makes play for scum the next couple days fairly easy. If one of Vorkuta and mbaki are scum (I don't think both can be), scum is probably pushing one of the less popular wagons to delay that domino effect getting their buddy lynched.

Combined with the NK paradox and the fact that this game has a lot of ML bait, I'm assuming Vorkuta is town for this analysis. The only people on the Vorkuta wagon I don't have any sort of town vibes from yet are Nero Cain and Bright Eyed Fish.

Looking through both ISO's I like NC more as town. Also:

Ah Mafiascum, you never disappoint.

I thought you were new to MS? Another lie?

He can't meta me because I don't play here.

I'm from another mafia site, so I doubt you do, but good luck if so!

and...

Good for you I guess

so was this actually going anywhere or what?

BrightEyedFish wagon is now open for business

i'll gladly lynch either one

If you think I'm scum then lynch me.

mbaki can't be trusted and is apparently only here to shit on MS. If you'd rather have him around that's fine. I on the other hand want him lynched.

BrightEyedFish is one of the players rb soft pressed throughout Day 1, and if we're going with the theory that mafia accidentally killed him because he posed a threat. This makes a lot more sense than Vorkuta killing someone who essentially claimed traitor directly to him.

VOTE: Mbaki
Guilty.

I don't know what to make of this post. Looks even worse in retrospect when BrightEyedFish suddenly switches gears to Vorkuta because he realizes that will be the easier player to ML, and Mbaki will come shortly after.

Rb, Cork, mbaki.

His scum team read REALLY wants the domino effect of both Vork and mbaki townies being lynched.

Meanwhile we should start hardpressing Varsoon. It's pretty fair to require someone to play or otherwise eat a lynch.

Yes Varsoon should play or get replaced. But I hate this post??? Pressing someone V/LA isn't magically gonna make them not be V/LA. We've already had one mislynch/policy lynch Day 1. Pushing for another one of those is bad.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Creature]

Pressing someone V/LA isn't magically gonna make them not be V/LA.

I'm pretty sure Varsoon is able to post.

[Creature]

You can check his activity yourself.

[Creature]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Dannflor]

Oh, I see that now. Not good. Still don't think burning another lynch on an unhelpful slot is a good direction to go in though. At least not in this game.

[mbaki]

Ooh, a good replace in. This'll be fun. At the range right now so I'll catch back up later.

[OkaPoka]

there are more people than just mbaki who dont like the activity level

but none of us except for mbaki self voted

[OkaPoka]

assuming vorkuta is town and then voting bef because you are assuming vorkuta is town is kinda sketch

u even admit vorkuta has a lot of reasons to be scum but then you discard all of it? seems a bit random

[OkaPoka]

are u just voting bef because u dont want vorkuta lynched yet and want a counterwagon that isnt mbaki @dannflor?

[Dannflor]

Scum, especially an experienced player, never gets that angry at that state of the game. There's also no reason for scum to manufacture that rage.

[Creature]

but none of us except for mbaki self voted

VOTE: Creature

[Creature]

Scum, especially an experienced player, never gets that angry at that state of the game. There's also no reason for scum to manufacture that rage.

What about accidentally killing traitor though?

[northsidegal]

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