Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

VC 2.7

votes

[5] Vorkuta

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DrDolittle 1006, mbaki 1104, Nero Cain 1107, BrightEyedFish 1122, OkaPoka 1269

[2] BrightEyedFish

:

Suka 1168, Dannflor 1437

[1] mbaki

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Vorkuta 1119

[1] DrDolittle

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Varsoon 1257

[1] Suka

:

Kmd4390 1260

[1] Creature

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Creature 1447

[0] Not Voting

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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

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[Dannflor]

Vorkuta is scummy. But reading through the game, a LOT of players are scummy. I don't think the NK on rb ever happens with Vorkuta scum. And since I also believe mbaki is town, scum is most likely pushing for their lynches. I'm voting for the player I think is most likely to be scum on their wagons.

[OkaPoka]

he was the largest wagon at the time so he had to do something and i disagree that scum can't manufacture rage

[OkaPoka]

why can't scum vorkuta make that nk?

[Creature]

It ain't Vorkuta either.

[Dannflor]

What about accidentally killing traitor though?

Are you asking if mbaki's reaction and subsequent self vote was due to scum!mbaki accidentally killing his team mate?

If you look at the string of posts leading up to his self vote he gets increasingly frustrated with not being able to get information out of other players. He seems calm directly after the flip.

[Dannflor]

why can't scum vorkuta make that nk?

he was the largest wagon at the time so he had to do something and i disagree that scum can't manufacture rage

You're either misreading or not thinking clearly, or just really grasping for straws to make this vendetta against mbaki work. If Vorkuta is scum, the "Vorkuta crumb" has to be him looking for a traitor, in response to which rb confirms as clearly as he can. I'm assuming he isn't a complete idiot. Why would scum Vorkuta ever make that night kill?

I didn't say scum can't manufacture rage, though it is difficult. I'm saying there is no reason for scum!mbaki to put himself in that position there. It's not advantageous for him.

[OkaPoka]

You do realize why mbaki was getting mad right?

[OkaPoka]

I mean technically why would anyone make the nk on rb at that point then right? We all see the same things.

[Creature]

I mean technically why would anyone make the nk on rb at that point then right? We all see the same things.

Maybe it was interpreted as a TPR crumb rather than a traitor crumb?

[OkaPoka]

I guess? But why is vorkuta being townread for that then?

[Dannflor]

If Vorkuta isn't scum, the crumb is not really a crumb, and that interaction would hold no more significance to scum than any of the other potential rb "crumbs" which they clearly dismissed in favor of whatever threat to them he posed. If Vorkuta is scum, that was direct interaction between the two players and holds significance.

[OkaPoka]

yeah i agree that mbaki is better lynch

[Dannflor]

He asks if that is rb's scum slip. I don't see a TPR crumb being interpreted there.

[OkaPoka]

Your point being?

[Creature]

He asks if that is rb's scum slip.

*scumtell

[OkaPoka]

Anyways on mbaki too while we are here, mbaki's rage was manufactured af. His build up was directly linked to him reacting to me over the weakest of things. Its a bad buildup because its foundation is on bs.

[OkaPoka]

Like he got mad at me for not "doing anything" and not "posting reads"

???

If you think thats a valid reason to build rage, over one person, no.

+ i feel like i did a lot, maybe i didnt post many reads yet, but i mean its still early and my reads would be shit so there is no reason to post them
he later clarifies its over everyone, but yeah ok buddy

[OkaPoka]

Okay, I'm going to put my English minor to work here and try to make this readable.

Here's the thing.

Yes, I am not enjoying this game overly. To be 100% honest, rb was one of the few players I wanted to play with here, along with Creature and Varsoon. I read him wrong and he was removed from the game, both of which were demoralizing for me.

When the day started, I realized just how few reads I actually had. Then, rb's iso actually does kind of look like crumbing to me. It is very hard for me to convince people not to lynch me when in all honesty it does look like crumbing. As I've said before, the best case I have against it being crumbing is that is isn't because I'm town. Nothing more than that, it just isn't because its not.

You are reading my self vote

completely

wrong. I voted myself because I had no confident reads (useless to town), I am not an important role (if I am a pr it is not something like a cop), and rb's posts to me looked the most like crumbing* (meaning I'd be a liability later on if we didn't hit scum) (*before Nero brought up Vorkuta essentially scum claiming). The fact I was not enjoying this game, combined with the fact I thought it actually might be optimal for town to get rid of me; my self-vote was not out of rage, hence the "Good luck town." There is no ill will in that sentiment.

I am now voting Vorkuta and campaigning for his lynch because I have actual reads I can be solid in again. If Vorkuta is scum, that solidifies Fish can be town, Nero can be town, and a bunch more associations we can find day 1. I am no longer a liability because we found who rb crumbed to. I am still not going to be in love with this game, but after 2 scum dead it probably won't continue long. As to Fish's suggestion, absolutely subbing is an option, but I haven't subbed once in the decade I've played mafia for

any

reason, much less a temper tantrum. I no longer think it is optimal for town to lynch me, so I am not going to self-vote. If I am lynched today, that would be unfortunate but it isn't the end of the world. I'll likely just apologize to Fish in post game and stand by my sentiment YYotta should be banned for gamethrowing and be done with it.


In summation, yes I'm a raging baby but that wasn't a raging self-vote.

even goes on to say here that it wasnt rage
so yeah

[Dannflor]

The problem is we're working with wonky information. The Day 1 lynch doesn't give us that much information because of the quality of the slot, so we're stuck with this weird traitor crumbing that can go in a thousand different directions. Worst case scenario we can lynch Vorkuta and then BrightEyedFish if Vorkuta flips town.

Oka, you expressed you think it's possible mbaki and Vorkuta are the scum team, right? Do you think their interactions throughout the game are actually manufactured?

Its a bad buildup because its foundation is on bs.

I think this is where we fundamentally disagree.

Scum just doesn't self vote, not experienced players. It never plays to their win condition unless it's a hammer. Rarely, town can self vote and it does play to their win condition.

[Dannflor]

Do you think their interactions throughout the game are actually manufactured?

I don't see how both of them can be scum.

[OkaPoka]

yeah i think its possible

ive done a scum v scum fight decently recently so i know its def possible

[OkaPoka]

like scum v scum is a really good way to bail out a lost game

[Dannflor]

They've been at each other's throats since mid Day 1, however.

[Creature]

Damn, I think this is becoming pure confbias/tunnel that will never stop.