Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

VC 2.9

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[5] Vorkuta

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DrDolittle 1006, mbaki 1104, Nero Cain 1107, BrightEyedFish 1122, OkaPoka 1269

[3] BrightEyedFish

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Suka 1168, Dannflor 1437, Creature 1480

[1] mbaki

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Vorkuta 1119

[1] DrDolittle

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Varsoon 1257

[1] Suka

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Kmd4390 1260

[0] Not Voting

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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

The Day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-04 14:37:59)

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[Creature]

I don't know what this means.

You're not talking enough about him

[Creature]

I'm feeling tempted to go back to DDL

[mbaki]

Creature, there was definitely scum on my day 1 wagon. I, a confrontational player, did not get 3 town votes and have my wagon fizzle out. I am pretty sure its Vork, could be Fish, but I'm confident 1 and only 1 is.

[Creature]

Heh I'm all ears for Vork scumcases as long they completely ignore rb's crumbs.

[mbaki]

Iso me. I pushed Vork a lot day 1, so a ctrl + function search should get results. Most of my points against him aren't traitor related.

[Creature]

First of all, this is a very personal attack (as is this whole post, such as with the constant use of bullying) and I don't appreciate it.

Is it scummy or just nothing?

[Dannflor]

I'll start with BEF. Skimming his ISO the first time, I saw a lot of posts and not a lot of content, most posts just coasting by. Unfortunately, that description also fits about half the slots in this game, so it's not really enough for me to scum read BEF alone. One thing to note however, is that aside from his furious mbaki tunneling since the middle of day 1, his other votes have been opportunistic or otherwise lackluster:

Yyotta has had time to show why we shouldn't lynch him but hasn't done anything to show why he is a bad lynch.

I'm just going to throw my vote back his way for his lack of persuasion and to get things moving along

VOTE: YyottaCat

That's L-2.

Not, "I think Yyotta is scum," but "She hasn't done anything to make my vote on her look bad." This isn't a good look.

Just as yyotta gets to L-2, mbaki unvotes even though he is "Perfectly thrilled with" the yyotta lynch. Scum buddies perhaps?

VOTE: mbaki

Not really related to BEF, but something I noticed. This is actually a point towards mbaki being town now that we know Yyotta is town.

screw it. for the sake of progress.
Maybe this wagon will be successful.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Another vote without much reason except for "hoping it will be a successful one."

VOTE: Mbaki
Guilty.

So this post is bad because it might be construed as a cop claim and be fishing for something like that, and it also continues the unending tunnel vision on mbaki. However, I don't think the tunneling on mbaki is inherently scummy. As a rule, mafia generally aren't so fixated on tunneling one person, especially not someone who isn't just easy mislynch bait (which I don't think mbaki qualifies as). I think this is more of a town tell much for the same reasons I think Oka is town. It's a bad case and both players are letting emotions more than anything guide them, but scum doesn't really let emotions cloud who they vote for so much, it doesn't play towards their win condition. On the other hand, Vork's push on mbaki doesn't feel as driven by frustration or emotion.

Looking over RBs ISO again, DDL and Vork are also pinging me.

I went through rb's ISO twice. First I SR Vork and mbaki and on the 2nd go through I SR vork and DDL. The common name in both reads in vork so I feel comfortable with putting vork at L-1.

VOTE: Vorkuta

Reading through this the first time I saw this as a way to just hop on the easier ML, and it could still very well be that if Vorkuta flips town. But, reading through Vorkuta's ISO again, assuming he was town might have been a mistake. The NK still doesn't make perfect sense, but Vorkuta was one of three people rb was pushing D1, so there is that. In fact, rb was pushing Vorkuta, DDL, and BEF to about equal degrees, except he never voted for BEF nor did a wagon really build on him. By association, that makes me like BEF as scum more than Vorkuta, but by posts alone, Vorkuta is way worse.

Well what's an example of obv!town behavior?
And are you literally just clearing people based on... meta interactions, and RVS justification?

Nope. Vorkuta's town.

I invoke

potato

Leodanny's

Kaythanks, but why?

Like you guys are just handing town reads out like participation trophies.

Here are two times where Vorkuta expresses annoyance at the abundance of town reads. While town reading with some BS justification doesn't help town, how annoyed he gets by the amount of town reads doesn't follow that. A large part of this game is figuring out who the strongest town reads are and then sorting the rest of the players via process of elimination. Lots of town reads is bad for scum and good for town, at the very least it means scum has less easy lynches to push. Vorkuta trying to discredit masses of town reads on two separate occasions is bad.

I'm willing to jump on the DDL wagon (when/if he comes back) even though it doesn't really make sense to me..

I don't know if he is trying to use AtE to get people off of him and its having the opposite effect or what

Pretty much this- I think scum is way too classy to AtE, especially come D1...

The first sentence of this post is scum central. Why the fuck do jump on a wagon that doesn't make sense to you as town? You should only be willing as scum who wants to mislynch. As town you either get justification or push a scum read that does make sense to you, which he apparently had none of at this time?

you are currently voting Suka, the person you're dismissing as town, and not YYotta

Sorry, that was just me wagon hopping.

If I can get a Yyotta

policy

wagon going, then I'll get on it.
Otherwise I'll just park my vote nowhere until someone registers on my scum radar beyond a reasonable doubt.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Yyotta unless she says literally anything, at which point I hop on the suka wagon.
Barring future developments of course.

"I'm just gonna vote this easy mislynch target unless I can vote somewhere else that looks good." This is worse than BEF's hop on Yyotta.

VOTE: YyottaCat @L-2

At least DDL is doing SOMETHING

Also worse than BEF's hop on DDL.

-Why are you guys giving the lurksacks and fluffposters a huge pass and not pressuring them to say something?
Your entire game plan, reasoning, and logic basically hinges on ME to flip red, leaving you in a complete crisis with a third of the player cast unaccounted for when I flip green.

You're wrong Vorkuta. If you flip green, we lynch BEF.

mbaki has already explained why his post #1294 is bad, I believe.

ELI5- What's the wincon for a traitor IF the traitor is dead?
Does said traitor still win with a scum victory or a town victory?

This doesn't seem genuine.

In a world where Vorkuta misses the rb crumb or doesn't interpret it as one, he's very much scum. That possibility is probably more likely than I originally assumed, and likely enough that BEF lynch doesn't really work off of assuming Vork is town. (which I think is what Oka was trying to get me to realize before) If Vorkuta does flip town however, I do think BEF is most likely scum. I'm fairly certain there is 1 scum in this pair. If we lynch both and I'm right we'll be left with 6:1, which is a great position to be in.

Vork should probably claim

[Creature]

I don't feel really convinced by post 1300

I could do Vork, but I'd rather other players get creative as well because I'm not conceding that lynch so easily if there are players not playing elsewhere.

[Creature]

Varsoon called Vork town and instaleft then never ever reappeared to ever explain this or even any other of his reads this game.

[Creature]

I don't really think Varsoon v Vork is w/w, so there's that

[Dannflor]

Sorry for the huge wall, hopefully it's comprehensible. I can clarify if needed.

@Nero Cain, I don't have much of a read on you. I haven't ISO'd you in depth yet but a cursory glance gave me townier vibes than other suspects on the Vorkuta wagon. Is there something in particular you want me to respond to?

[Dannflor]

Maybe a claim should wait until we get players like Varsoon posting, then?

[Dannflor]

We have 6 days left on the deadline so we can afford to wait for replacements/posts as long as it doesn't kill momentum too much.

[Creature]

Post 728 is interesting when post 659 indicates more of a policy vote than anything.

[Creature]

So this post is bad because it might be construed as a cop claim and be fishing for something like that

He faked a guilty on Overkill 2

as town

[Dannflor]

Link to game?

[Creature]

The first sentence of this post is scum central.

It's near TWTBAW territory

[BrightEyedFish]

So this post is bad because it might be construed as a cop claim and be fishing for something like that

He faked a guilty on Overkill 2

as town

Ive faked several guilties.

[Creature]

Link to game?

Why don't we just push on Heb some more? Does anyone really have a TR on him? I would say he is guilty...

We would be well off with a heb lynch today. How many times do I have to hint at it?

If the guilty is not legit then there is something strange going on.

@protective roles
Keep my buddy RCE alive please or whoever you want around. My results could be tainted if heb flips town. Guess we see what I get tonight but if heb somehow flips town then I will only post my result if requested as to not skew peoples SRs.

[mbaki]

My mind tells me Creature can't post this much as scum but my heart tells me Creature is Vorkuta's partner.

My heart also tells me I love seeing Creature argue for things, regardless of his alignment.

No, I don't think Vorkuta's personal posts are alignment indicative.

[mbaki]

So this post is bad because it might be construed as a cop claim and be fishing for something like that

He faked a guilty on Overkill 2

as town

Ive faked several guilties.

This explains so much.

[Creature]

The guilty is probably the only reason I could see BEF being town this game

Is it actually AI?

[mbaki]

I think I'm going to say Creature is town, too.

Nero, thoughts?

[Creature]

but my heart tells me Creature is Vorkuta's partner.

Hehe I'm more a busser