micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)
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Which is a giant red flag with a black fedora because although I understand that the context a player comes into the game with is important your insistence on shifting focus back outside this game indicates that you don’t feel like your play has been defensible from a town perspective.In post 1421, the worst wrote:I still think this is towny and like none of it is invalid, just not correct and probably closer to an entirely ingame read rather than a meta read which I rateIn post 1410, skitter30 wrote:no, i checked before i voted, that's the third
in case you're wondering:
-> things i may have seen as townie from you idk if they're ai anymore
-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way
p-edit idk what that's referring to
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continue?In post 1428, LolWagons wrote:Which is a giant red flag with a black fedora because although I understand that the context a player comes into the game with is important your insistence on shifting focus back outside this game indicates that you don’t feel like your play has been defensible from a town perspective.
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ok that's fair that you wanted to take a bit, sorry. you had posted after so it felt ignore-y a bit, this may be a bit unfair from me since it was within a shortish timeframe.
i mean i kinda brought up a lot of the non-meta stuff i want to talk about; i get that you think they're largely invalid but they're kinda sticking points for me rn
i want to hold off on the meta stuff for a bit please; i do understand why you think you rate a meta read from me in a general sense given the large number of games we played together but i'm not sure that's the correct approach to take rn; you also told me earlier in the game that you don't think i necessarily even *can* metaread you rn so asking me to use meta and not ingame reasons feels a little unreasonable given that you don't think those are accurate sorting methods rn
p-edit this is wrt 1423 and 1421
i mean i kinda brought up a lot of the non-meta stuff i want to talk about; i get that you think they're largely invalid but they're kinda sticking points for me rn
i want to hold off on the meta stuff for a bit please; i do understand why you think you rate a meta read from me in a general sense given the large number of games we played together but i'm not sure that's the correct approach to take rn; you also told me earlier in the game that you don't think i necessarily even *can* metaread you rn so asking me to use meta and not ingame reasons feels a little unreasonable given that you don't think those are accurate sorting methods rn
p-edit this is wrt 1423 and 1421
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ah I worded it badly; I rate the fact you're not going down the meta rabbit hole tho I do think there's certain things you might recognise, it's not all that important vs ingame stuff
do you TR mastina?
do you TR mastina?
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False on not knowing yours--I'm rather intimately familiar with it given we've played something like ten games together. Or if not played, I've been involved in at least ten if nothing else. But I already explained why nsg became my townread.In post 1103, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Well, I’m wondering why Mastina is so certain I’m town. How familiar is she with NSG meta because I know she can’t be tio familiar with mine.
northsidegal is an inquisitive player, pushing forward, but lighthearted when doing so; that is the exact vibe I got from her posts, as I later explain:In post 872, mastina wrote:When people quoted this, they seemed to forget the most important part of the quote--the bolded. The bolded phrase here, "never doubt it". Is never something said seriously--it's a deadpan snark. I was referring specifically to how, 100% of the time, no matter how much you may think she's scum, northsidegal is pretty much always 100% of the time actually town. With an undertone of how even when she is scum, she isIn post 117, mastina wrote:northsidegal is, 100% of the time, always town. the worst is, 100% of the time, always scum.
Never doubt it.stilltown.
It then figures that the same was true of the worst--I was referring to how, disproportionately, the worst draws scum role PMs time and time again, and is almost always the last anti-town that the town is suspicious of. Yet when he is town, people tend to still think he is scum, especially me, in part due to paranoia of knowing just how good his scumgame can be. So it can be said that, no matter how much you may think he's town, he's scum, 100% of the time, even if his role PM says otherwise.
...Butin spite of that.
My vote was placed on the worst--if this were 100% a joke read, I'd not have done that, and kept it there.
The reason for these reads, if you look at it, is pretty self-evident:
I'd actually describe as a northsidegal-type of inquisitive: pushing forward, but lighthearted when doing so.northsidegal's entrancescreamedtown. She was incredibly whimsical, unafraid to be the third vote on a wagon, and seemed like she was, genuinely, having a good time.
In post 882, mastina wrote:This readslist was exactly what she said it was: lazy. It's a pretty terrible readslist, but alignment-wise my thought on it was that it was completely and entirely, 100%, not alignment indicative either way. Given my prior townread on nsg tho, it wasn't really worth bringing up.
When I saw her interact with Nibbui more, I thought it was a fairly town-town interaction on both sides, tho--but because both were already topping my townreadsanyway, I didn't really feel like emphasizing the fact.
When I say someone is town, I tend not to put special emphasis on them being town past that point--the sole exception to this is if the player I am calling town is at risk of being lynched. If they are close to being lynched, then, obviously, I need to emphasize why they are town to dissuade that outcome, but other than that, my feeling is mostly a "said once, then done". I said nsg and Nibbui were town, I was done.
Still doing nothing, and this point is one I feel is egregious anyway.In post 1104, podoboq wrote:Nope. It's everyone talking about everyone's meta. It's all meta. This single day with people has been longer than entire games I've played. It's tiring.In post 1102, Nibbui wrote:Pink Ball and podoboq seems frustated with you talking about your own meta and I don't want you guys to argue with each other over it
There's plenty of non-meta evidence to be had.
While meta does have a prominent place in discussion--as it should--it is not overwhelmingly dominating as podoboq is pretending.
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can you quote what makes her look townier than me or
like rn she's talking about her townread on NSG which was a pretty forced read ("ooo mystery" isn't like. towny/lassaiz-faire in rvs and realistically is not the kind of thing you look at for a towny solving mindset in rvs, surely, please tell me if you think this is being dumb) and tmi townread of Nancy which she's mostly let sit on the back burner while we actually pushed Nancy but is yelling about now she realises it's not a mislynch
like rn she's talking about her townread on NSG which was a pretty forced read ("ooo mystery" isn't like. towny/lassaiz-faire in rvs and realistically is not the kind of thing you look at for a towny solving mindset in rvs, surely, please tell me if you think this is being dumb) and tmi townread of Nancy which she's mostly let sit on the back burner while we actually pushed Nancy but is yelling about now she realises it's not a mislynch
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You know my answer.In post 1125, skitter30 wrote:idk how to explain that better; this feels like a game where scum might be in the townbloc
No, it's concerning pretending skitter had that many strong alignment-indicative posts in her iso given her nature--in other words, the real concern isn't me being "late"; it's those who were early in giving that townread.In post 1134, LolWagons wrote:Skitter had like at least three AI posts in their ISO and its concerning you are late to the game on that
I feel like skitter does warrant one, but pretending she warranted one from essentially the onset is ridiculous unless your experience with her is on soulread levels. She's quite competent as both alignments and has a style almost identical between them; to read her as town, you need to find the content which is beyond her ability to fake as scum, and that content didn't exist as far as I could tell until much later in her iso than you are saying.
And if she is at all in any way honest with herself, she'd be the
first
to tell you this.You aren't being that inquisitive duck that I've more often see in the town games
you are being more the reactive duck and only interacting with slots when it's a necessity and when it's not beneficial, you don't seem interested in sorting them
you had a scum lean on both mastina and Nancy, but instead of being engaging them you sounded more laid back waiting for the lynch on Nancy
you didn't seem trying to sort Nancy, neither Mastina, and neither Lolwagons currently
it seems you were just waiting to join today lynch whatever it was, and that is visible when you wanted to hammer Nancy and end the phase soon
also, you getting this sarcastic about the whole thing is something I expect more from scum!you than town!you although I can see a unmotivated town duckling saying these things because he isn't enjoying playing this game very much
you are being more the reactive duck and only interacting with slots when it's a necessity and when it's not beneficial, you don't seem interested in sorting them
you had a scum lean on both mastina and Nancy, but instead of being engaging them you sounded more laid back waiting for the lynch on Nancy
you didn't seem trying to sort Nancy, neither Mastina, and neither Lolwagons currently
it seems you were just waiting to join today lynch whatever it was, and that is visible when you wanted to hammer Nancy and end the phase soon
also, you getting this sarcastic about the whole thing is something I expect more from scum!you than town!you although I can see a unmotivated town duckling saying these things because he isn't enjoying playing this game very much
"and only interacting with slots when it's a necessity or beneficial to your stance, and not engaging when it's not beneficial to your current stance****In post 1443, Nibbui wrote:and only interacting with slots when it's a necessity and when it's not beneficial, you don't seem interested in sorting them