micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[Nibbui]

Micro 840: Mystery Rap Battle of Silver

[the worst]

VOTE: mastina
rawr

[Nibbui]

I think the problem with metaing duck is that he is like

very depedent on his energy levels

but I think he has been somewhat scummy for in-game reasons and I can explain

I would rather explain while having a rap battle but idk how to rhyme in english very much

[LolWagons]

no, i checked before i voted, that's the third

in case you're wondering:
-> things i may have seen as townie from you idk if they're ai anymore
-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way

p-edit idk what that's referring to

I still think this is towny and like none of it is invalid, just not correct and probably closer to an entirely ingame read rather than a meta read which I rate

Which is a giant red flag with a black fedora because although I understand that the context a player comes into the game with is important your insistence on shifting focus back outside this game indicates that you don’t feel like your play has been defensible from a town perspective.

[the worst]

I mean we could rap battle across the language barrier I really don't mind, I'm equally poor at it either way

for now tho we should probably lynch mastina bc I'd rather not be d1'd

[the worst]

Which is a giant red flag with a black fedora because although I understand that the context a player comes into the game with is important your insistence on shifting focus back outside this game indicates that you don’t feel like your play has been defensible from a town perspective.

continue?

[Nibbui]

duck you were fine being d1'd not long ago

what changed

[Nibbui]

oh right

i just read scum chat

we're claiming cop and doctor tomorrow

good plan duck

[skitter30]

ok that's fair that you wanted to take a bit, sorry. you had posted after so it felt ignore-y a bit, this may be a bit unfair from me since it was within a shortish timeframe.

i mean i kinda brought up a lot of the non-meta stuff i want to talk about; i get that you think they're largely invalid but they're kinda sticking points for me rn

i want to hold off on the meta stuff for a bit please; i do understand why you think you rate a meta read from me in a general sense given the large number of games we played together but i'm not sure that's the correct approach to take rn; you also told me earlier in the game that you don't think i necessarily even *can* metaread you rn so asking me to use meta and not ingame reasons feels a little unreasonable given that you don't think those are accurate sorting methods rn

p-edit this is wrt 1423 and 1421

[the worst]

duck you were fine being d1'd not long ago

what changed

my bravado wore off when it became a real prospect

[the worst]

ah I worded it badly; I rate the fact you're not going down the meta rabbit hole tho I do think there's certain things you might recognise, it's not all that important vs ingame stuff

do you TR mastina?

[mastina]

Well, I’m wondering why Mastina is so certain I’m town. How familiar is she with NSG meta because I know she can’t be tio familiar with mine.

False on not knowing yours--I'm rather intimately familiar with it given we've played something like ten games together. Or if not played, I've been involved in at least ten if nothing else. But I already explained why nsg became my townread.

northsidegal is, 100% of the time, always town. the worst is, 100% of the time, always scum.

Never doubt it.

When people quoted this, they seemed to forget the most important part of the quote--the bolded. The bolded phrase here, "never doubt it". Is never something said seriously--it's a deadpan snark. I was referring specifically to how, 100% of the time, no matter how much you may think she's scum, northsidegal is pretty much always 100% of the time actually town. With an undertone of how even when she is scum, she is

still

town.

It then figures that the same was true of the worst--I was referring to how, disproportionately, the worst draws scum role PMs time and time again, and is almost always the last anti-town that the town is suspicious of. Yet when he is town, people tend to still think he is scum, especially me, in part due to paranoia of knowing just how good his scumgame can be. So it can be said that, no matter how much you may think he's town, he's scum, 100% of the time, even if his role PM says otherwise.

...But

in spite of that

.

My vote was placed on the worst--if this were 100% a joke read, I'd not have done that, and kept it there.

The reason for these reads, if you look at it, is pretty self-evident:
I'd actually describe as a northsidegal-type of inquisitive: pushing forward, but lighthearted when doing so.

oooooooo mystery!!!!
VOTE: nibbui

northsidegal's entrance

screamed

town. She was incredibly whimsical, unafraid to be the third vote on a wagon, and seemed like she was, genuinely, having a good time.

northsidegal is an inquisitive player, pushing forward, but lighthearted when doing so; that is the exact vibe I got from her posts, as I later explain:

/lazyposting
{nsg}
{tw, sheep}
{skitter}
{everyone else}
{nibbui}

This readslist was exactly what she said it was: lazy. It's a pretty terrible readslist, but alignment-wise my thought on it was that it was completely and entirely, 100%, not alignment indicative either way. Given my prior townread on nsg tho, it wasn't really worth bringing up.

When I saw her interact with Nibbui more, I thought it was a fairly town-town interaction on both sides

, tho--but because both were already topping my townreads

anyway

, I didn't really feel like emphasizing the fact.

When I say someone is town, I tend not to put special emphasis on them being town past that point--the sole exception to this is if the player I am calling town is at risk of being lynched. If they are close to being lynched, then, obviously, I need to emphasize why they are town to dissuade that outcome, but other than that, my feeling is mostly a "said once, then done". I said nsg and Nibbui were town, I was done.

Pink Ball and podoboq seems frustated with you talking about your own meta and I don't want you guys to argue with each other over it

Nope. It's everyone talking about everyone's meta. It's all meta. This single day with people has been longer than entire games I've played. It's tiring.

Still doing nothing, and this point is one I feel is egregious anyway.

There's plenty of non-meta evidence to be had.
While meta does have a prominent place in discussion--as it should--it is not overwhelmingly dominating as podoboq is pretending.

[Nibbui]

guys

Mastina is looking townier than TW

send help

[the worst]

can you quote what makes her look townier than me or

like rn she's talking about her townread on NSG which was a pretty forced read ("ooo mystery" isn't like. towny/lassaiz-faire in rvs and realistically is not the kind of thing you look at for a towny solving mindset in rvs, surely, please tell me if you think this is being dumb) and tmi townread of Nancy which she's mostly let sit on the back burner while we actually pushed Nancy but is yelling about now she realises it's not a mislynch

[the worst]

I am help btw sup

[Nibbui]

yeah but I'm coming around that it may just be that mastina is tryharding this game and getting in a tunnel vision

I mean, i'm not putting her out of the PoE

but duck your play here has been different than what I would expect from town!you and I'll explain

[the worst]

bring it, I'm fairly checked out but I suspect at least some of your PoE is on the money

[mastina]

idk how to explain that better; this feels like a game where scum might be in the townbloc

You know my answer.

Skitter had like at least three AI posts in their ISO and its concerning you are late to the game on that

No, it's concerning pretending skitter had that many strong alignment-indicative posts in her iso given her nature--in other words, the real concern isn't me being "late"; it's those who were early in giving that townread.

I feel like skitter does warrant one, but pretending she warranted one from essentially the onset is ridiculous unless your experience with her is on soulread levels. She's quite competent as both alignments and has a style almost identical between them; to read her as town, you need to find the content which is beyond her ability to fake as scum, and that content didn't exist as far as I could tell until much later in her iso than you are saying.

And if she is at all in any way honest with herself, she'd be the

first

to tell you this.

[Nibbui]

You aren't being that inquisitive duck that I've more often see in the town games

you are being more the reactive duck and only interacting with slots when it's a necessity and when it's not beneficial, you don't seem interested in sorting them

you had a scum lean on both mastina and Nancy, but instead of being engaging them you sounded more laid back waiting for the lynch on Nancy

you didn't seem trying to sort Nancy, neither Mastina, and neither Lolwagons currently

it seems you were just waiting to join today lynch whatever it was, and that is visible when you wanted to hammer Nancy and end the phase soon

also, you getting this sarcastic about the whole thing is something I expect more from scum!you than town!you although I can see a unmotivated town duckling saying these things because he isn't enjoying playing this game very much

[the worst]

you don't think I interacted with Nancy and don't think I'm poking lolwagons to try and get him riled up right now? o_ò

[the worst]

admit 1443 was part of your lolwolfy play and I'll forgive you
that's an overwhelmingly misrepresentative post

[Nibbui]

and only interacting with slots when it's a necessity and when it's not beneficial, you don't seem interested in sorting them

"and only interacting with slots when it's a necessity or beneficial to your stance, and not engaging when it's not beneficial to your current stance****

[Nibbui]

I don't think that you tried to sort Nancy in a genuine way before it was very apparent that she was town is what I mean

[the worst]

what part of the way I sorted Nancy wasn't genuine?

[the worst]

I actually feel somewhat undervalued on that front. the way I poked Nancy and ari into providing more content and engaged with them in real-time was completely genuine.