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Post Post #1500 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:39 pm

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In post 1464, the worst wrote:one spicy take: scum!me lolhammers there instead of giving intent because I'm completely cognisant of how heavily Nancy can spew town under pressure :lol:
Except she wasn't actually at L-1 and you're a thorough enough scum player to not make that mistake.

It is specifically because you gave intent rather than voting that it's scum-indicative, honestly.
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Post Post #1501 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:40 pm

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Sheep’s waffling on TW doesn’t make me feel great but idk if it changes TW in my mind. Not as AI as TW on to Meph.
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Post Post #1502 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:40 pm

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In post 1487, the worst wrote:I can't accurately read mastina imo. but I don't really see her town motivation here and like I can happily be talked outta this but I don't think anyone's convincingly townreading her....?
no, i don't think so
i guess i don't like because it feels convenient to you
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Post Post #1503 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:41 pm

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*for you
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Post Post #1504 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:41 pm

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In post 1499, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i lost all of my motivation to play after nancy's posting this morning
Yeah I’ll probably avoid that slot from here on out.
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Post Post #1505 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:41 pm

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In future games.

Not like I won’t talk to her in this game. Unfortunately I’m stuck with that.
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Post Post #1506 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:42 pm

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@mastina I know. read my comments around the God scum ari meme
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Post Post #1507 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:42 pm

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In post 1490, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i thought about it and... tw could be scum here idk


he's definitely not anywhere near clear by meta anymore and i barely even read those games before being like lolme
idk how i feel about your switch on him rn
In post 1499, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i lost all of my motivation to play after nancy's posting this morning
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Post Post #1508 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:46 pm

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this game is making me dreppresed tbh...

I wonder if I should end the day...

duck, if you're town here, will you be upset with me post-game?
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Post Post #1509 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:51 pm

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Intent to hammer although I'm not sure


I don't want to be stuck in this situation anymore...

It's just depressing really
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Post Post #1510 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:52 pm

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In post 1476, the worst wrote:
In post 1472, Nibbui wrote:I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though
She is strangely charming
(Btw, that's actually a weak towntell of mine. scumastina is an ass, so is anything but charming. The charm comes from me when I'm town, since I just have a way with people, I guess.)
In post 1478, Nibbui wrote:mastina my problem isn't you lacking fluidity on your reads, I know somewhat that when you fix your reads on someone, you stay with that for a while
my problem is that you fixed your reads on page 1 or 2
in Red Flag you had a whole day to fix your reads on and it makes sense you keeping them static there
here you hadn't much to base they on firstly though
maybe it's just a coincidence however
Go do some research on me.

I am infamous for making page one readslists.

Reads which often last a significant portion of the game, partially or entirely.

My reads didn't change past the first couple of pages, because the first couple of pages were all I needed to get them. I extrapolate a lot from the RVS. My personal philosophy reads-wise is, "when in doubt, go back to the RVS". I treat it as incredibly valuable (which is honestly one of the reasons I latched onto Gamma as scum in red flag, for the usage of the proven-scumsided RQS that is much harder to get a read on than normal RVS is), because I have developed a whole nuanced process behind extrapolating from RVS posts alignments of individuals.

While these are always guesswork at best, sometimes, especially in smaller games, these reads prove to have merit, when later content supports my original conclusion.

You'll find with sufficient research both a number of games where my reads change after the RVS readslist, and a number of games where they didn't.

I am scumreading the worst because his entrance screamed scum and all his content since then has only supported that conclusion.
I wasn't actually strongly scumreading podoboq. If you were to look at my original readslist, the separation for it would've been:
In post 114, mastina wrote:northsidegal
Pink Ball
Nibbui

InfiniteSoda
sheepsaysmeep

skitter30

podoboq

the worst
This. But since then, my scumread on podoboq has grown, to the point where he's my strongest scumread, stronger even than the worst.

So my current readslist would be:
Mephistophanes
Nibbui
Pink Ball

skitter

Lolwagons
sheepsaysmeep

the worst
podoboq.

Just because the players I'm suspicious of haven't changed, doesn't mean that it's been entirely static. podoboq went from slight scumread to strongest scumread.
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Post Post #1511 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:53 pm

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That's fair Mastina.

I only have seen more of your scum games, I don't have as much touch with town!you

(you roll scum a lot!)
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Post Post #1512 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:59 pm

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In post 1483, Nibbui wrote:I can see where Mastina is coming about podoboq as well
not their RVS entrance or whatever
but their play here is very consensus and laid back yes
oh god...
Never thought you'd end up sheeping me, eh? :P
In post 1486, skitter30 wrote:like @tw i guess my problem with ur mastina push rn is that it feels a little conveniently-timed? like as your wagon heats up you decide mastina - who happens to be ur counterwagon - is obvscum
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the worst isn't really saying I'm scum for anything--because
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In post 1487, the worst wrote:I can't accurately read mastina imo. but I don't really see her town motivation here and like I can happily be talked outta this but I don't think anyone's convincingly townreading her....?
As so.
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Post Post #1513 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:00 pm

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I'm a lategame confirmable town power role.
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Post Post #1514 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:01 pm

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Protectives shouldn't go for me by the way and this is
not
WIFOM.

I'm a bit overgamed and can't contribute much in day 2 really

I would actually be happy by getting nightkilled today although I don't think it's likely

Pink Ball isn't entirely outside of their scum range imo but they are fairly townie and they are pretty perceptive here (I mean, they are as known as perceptive ball)

Pink Ball is a nice target

and
THIS ISN'T WIFOM.
I'm speaking honestly here.
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Post Post #1515 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:03 pm

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In post 1511, Nibbui wrote:(you roll scum a lot!)
And you wonder why my preferred alignment is town. :P

(I drew so many scum PMs that frankly I got sick of it. Especially when I know that I'm good enough to basically win any scumgame if I give it sufficient amounts of effort. Now, granted. Sometimes I can't give said effort. But I know that when I give it, I will win. Victory is boring, basically.)
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Post Post #1516 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:04 pm

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In post 1513, the worst wrote:I'm a lategame confirmable town power role.
I don't think this goes well with you saying that it was "fine to lynch me today" tbh

I mean, you could only be showing false bravado but I think that back there you already were a realistic lynch candidate, I'll check it again

but by "late", how late are we talking about? and it's 100% confirmable?
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Post Post #1517 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:04 pm

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In post 1513, the worst wrote:I'm a lategame confirmable town power role.
Uh-huh.

Sure you are.

See that unvote?

That's the degree to which I believe you.
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Post Post #1518 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:05 pm

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>______> Not buying it

P-edit: Yeah being gung-ho about being lynched makes me think this is a lie.
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Post Post #1519 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:05 pm

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Like.

This is a micro.

The longest possible game is to D4.

There is no such thing as a lategame confirmable town power role.
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Post Post #1520 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:24 pm

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I'm spent

I want to end the day and take a breath

please answer me duck because depending on what you say, I can stay on Mastina wagon and try to convince sheep and podoboq to vote with us
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Post Post #1521 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:30 pm

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In post 1401, the worst wrote:we should cross-vote <3
does power role duck ever say this?

You're the kind that try to not out you're a PR as much as possible, and doesn't like wagons on you when you're a PR as far as I know

your play here doesn't match it but I can hear you
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Post Post #1522 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:33 pm

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I think you’re going to talk yourself out of something obvious here Nibbui. Nothing about TW’s play says late game confirmable PR. The willing to 1v1, the cross voting, the “I’m gonna be the NK” bravado... it doesn’t fit.
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Post Post #1523 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:37 pm

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I'm going to try not to

I want to hear him though
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Post Post #1524 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:38 pm

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I understand.
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