[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Lamees]

Thor665 (L-3)

: rb, Malakitty, Creature

Malakitty (L-4)

: Thor665, Auro

DarkLightA (L-5)

: Lamees

Egix96 (L-5)

: Nako

Leodanny, DarkLightA, Something_Smart,
Egix96

Let's just make MDS's job easier. We lynch leo or dla.

VOTE: DLA

[Something_Smart]

oof got prodded, hope everyone had a happy New Year's Eve.

I think we have to wait for replacements before doing anything.

[Malakitty]

Yeah happy new year guys.

Honestly I’m at a loss on who to lynch.

Everyone is being prodded because this game is at a stall and the holidays

So yeah

[Thor665]

Creature never said you dictated it.

He said Persivul was on to you, which you responded with something like "You think I was under that much pressure so as to dictate the NK?" and

he responded saying you would dictate

, which you combated saying it wasn't your scumplay.

And yeah, good enough comparatively. I was on to RB's inconsistency earlier, but it does make sense that HE could make those inconsistencies as town, and I was simply using a wrong baseline to make a judgment. I recall asking you to make a case on what else was scummy about him, but you didn't.

Until this phase when I started pushing him after new flip information as opposed to yesterday?
Yeah, you're right.
How is that scummy for me exactly?

Also, the information gained by your scumflip is gonna be useful, as I pointed out. Clears both RB and Mala, and I'll go after Something_Smart next.

Any scumflip is useful - welcome to empty example #524

"Shade" here is your continuous hounding of me calling everything I do empty, and having me post extensively to prove it isn't -- which I doubt was even necessary. I've been asking people to read, I do want them to get involved as much as you do -- but your wagon having grown fast in this context isn't the same as usual, could simply imply you're being bussed, and/or have buddies within the no-vote slots. I'll make a note here to analyze this further when I'm actually free. I'll also note that I didn't like a couple of votes on your wagon, especially Nako's.

How dare you ask me to back up things I say!
I've been asking other people to back up things, just like you!
The wagon building on you fast means your buddies must be bussing you!
I agree some of the votes are scummy even as I keep supporting the wagon and arguing with you that the votes aren't empty even as I claim some votes are scummy!

"Insert shade here"

If you're town, I have no idea what you were aiming for, and your being town doesn't mean I can't disagree. I still *will* disagree on that, and sure, we can argue ad infinitum post-game. The case isn't empty.

The case is empty - you're basically describing an empty case.
Oooh, there might be a GF so Thor saying goood directs an investigation to him who therefore must be the GF - solid case.
Oooh, people are voting Thor in a scummy manner - must be bussing, shouldn't vote them doing that *even though that is blatantly more scummy than anything I can describe Thor doing*
Oooh, Thor's reads changed as more info became available - that's not how to play town.
Why is Thor questioning the brilliance of my play?

Seriously dude, what the hell?

[rb]

shouldn't you be voting auro at this point

[rb]

i think we should lynch thor and auro true facts

[rb]

at least it will make the game 132.7% more readable and fun

[Thor665]

shouldn't you be voting auro at this point

What do you think the scum case on him is other than poor ability to read the game and understand what constitutes a good lynch?
I'm not a fan of the slot, but I'm not as convinced it's scum as your sidelining and non-scumhunting butt.
Want to try to empty push lynches and fights with snide remarks while not actually offering insight on anything?

I am boggled that people think I'm scum and you're town. i mean, I am pretty sure at least one of them is your buddy (or two are scum and you're town, which could happen, though I'd be sad) but c'mon - don't pretend to ignore blatant reality.

[rb]

wow auro says lots of words but is on all the town wagons, must be town amirite

i legitimately can't tell if you're both scum together or not at this point. it seems unlikely but we're pre-flip and logic dictates that scum are gonna be in you/auro/S_S and if that isn't the team, i'm confident in my townreads of creature/mala/egix - so i'm okay with lynching my scumpool and then just PoE'ing the rest

my issue here is that i don't want to lynch the people you want to lynch, which is me/mala it seems? i'm town, mala is my 2nd best townread (after creature who if he's scum he just won at this stage) and i'm having a real hard time with 3 lower activity slots.

so here's where i'm at right now:

- creature i'm 99% sure is town
- mala + egix are both strong townreads for me

i'm happy to vote outside of you, but i'm not doing that for the two other proposed wagons right now: mala/egix - like, fuck no.

another issue is, the claimed PR again has basically 2 scumreads in the entire game: me, and another one of my strong townreads (mala). it's causing a lot of problems in actually getting momentum in good places. so here's what i want: if we change wagon, it's not me, egix, or mala. if you don't want auro/SS - who do you want?

[Nako]

VOTE: Malakitty
Wagon on Dunn yesterday was scum motivated. It appeared when we tried to lynch Mala.

[rb]

this is why we can't have nice things

[rb]

what if...mala is just town and scum were the ones sheeping town sentiments

wow amazing idea right

[Creature]

and then just PoE'ing the rest

What was the rest again?

[rb]

Nako, Leodanny, DarklightA

i guess we aren't lynching lamees although the fact scum know what town has and can therefore claim without any CC possible and also the way she claimed gives me paranoia idk, probably just town

[rb]

okay, because this game is just not working

creature, egix, mala - can the four of us just work to get on the same wagon

[Creature]

I feel like we should probably wait replacees be replaced

[rb]

eh yeah ok, i thought deadline was closer but it's almost 3.5 IRL days

[Malakitty]

Not that it matters but I spiked a fever and currently dying (yes it feels like death to me and I wish as a medic I can Iv myself and give fuilds but I can’t)

[Auro]

i think we should lynch thor and auro true facts

at least it will make the game 132.7% more readable and fun

Gross.
Even grosser because everyone else seems to be lurking their butts off.

Yeah, on further thought Thor getting to lynch range with NO significant counterwagon with all scum alive implies pretty much his wagon was scum-motivated. Although I still think Thor has good scum equity, I'm not gonna vote there today.

I've been floppy on RB's slot because his play seems pretty bad on a surface level, but I keep feeling it's a playstyle thing. Going by the D1 flip alone though, Mala was appearing like the day's lynch and I don't see scum motivation on driving a wagon on a lynchbaity player if Mala's town.

@Thor, you locked on to RB being scum post flip. But isn't his Dunn push only mostly scum indicative if Mala's scum? What scum motive would he have otherwise? Also, you were scumreading Dunnstral as well, so FYPOV Dunn would have been a good vote.
If you agree with me on the first question, why weren't you pushing Mala over RB?
Also, speaking about Dunn, you scumread him for similar reasons IIRC and he flipped town. Why isn't this simply RB's playstyle?

@Nako, *finally* someone says what I've been saying all along.

[Auro]

Any scumflip is useful - welcome to empty example #524

Eh, compared to Leodanny - that slot's basically a gamble (which should flip town more likely), and a scumflip there gives us nothing. I'd rather that a PoE lunch at this point, I guess.

[Auro]

but we're pre-flip and logic dictates that scum are gonna be in you/auro/S_S

What is this "logic"?

@Creature, RB has mostly only been yelling reads without any real justification for anything - and when asked, the most you'd get out of him is "wow too much effort", and I bet he's going to respond to my above question the same friggin way. Which part of his play screams "reasonable" to you?

[rb]

the fact that i have at least a dozen games played with creature and more spectated

if he is scum he's just better than me

[Auro]

I asked about your logic on scum being in me/Thor/S_S.
You're just justifying your townread on Creature.

[rb]

wagons

you've all been on all the bad wagons. unless mala is scum (i doubt it) then yeah, i'm pretty sure you're just scum hopping on the easy wagons

[Auro]

So you think Thor is a bad wagon?