micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[skitter30]

Because what you're describing is vastly different from what I described from the onset?

yeah that's why it doesn't make sense to me

explain very slowly why it means your role exists

[skitter30]

can people explain why they're townreading pink ball?

[skitter30]

Fucked if I know. How exactly do I ask the mod that hypothetical?

that was more rhetorical/thinking-aloud on my part; i wasn't expecting a serious answer from you

[Mephistophanes 39]

the worst has been lynched! he was a

Vanilla Townie.

night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2019-01-03 20:30:00). please submit all night actions to me, either by PM or in a private thread where relevant. i will speed up the night if all players tell me they want that

Nibbui been killed in the night! he was a

Vanilla Townie.

I just checked the date and time of our role change and it was on Tursday January 1st 9:32 PM , that we received our rolechange.

[Slaxx]

I just can’t imagine thinking some of the things you say but okay

So, I still think Mastina is the proper lynch today.
It solves for Meph and Mastina.

Skitter is town. I don’t see how she isn’t. That knee jerk claim after she knew scum gave her the power felt super town, and the slow withdraw solidified that this wasn’t a weird ploy. I still really think Podo is town.

Podo/Skitter/Sheep/Meph/Pink/Slaxx

Would be the solve tomorrow minus a night kill. I think if Mastina flips town I’d look at sheep.

[mastina]

Because what you're describing is vastly different from what I described from the onset?

yeah that's why it doesn't make sense to me
explain very slowly why it means your role exists

I don't see how it's not clear.
You are describing one role mechanic that applies to you--you got something from the scum.
I am describing a different role mechanic that applies to me and my target, Mephistophanes--I gave something to them.
The way my role works is different from the way your role works.

That's proof that I am not copying the mechanic of your role, and proof that you are not copying the mechanic of mine.

And thus, that is proof that my role is real, because I don't lie about roles. Any player who knows me can vouch for this fact. (Which, mind you, was another reason for the Mephistophanes target--Nancy may or may not make this vouch, but that hydra is half

Aristophanes

, and he most certainly would. I was also fairly confident Nibbui could do similar. LolWagons/Slaxx has rusted to the point where I wasn't sure he could, and Pink Ball confessed that while an alt they are unfamiliar with me, soooooooo.)

[Slaxx]

Looking at the time stamp was a good call, Meph.

[Mephistophanes 39]

the worst has been lynched! he was a

Vanilla Townie.

night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2019-01-03 20:30:00). please submit all night actions to me, either by PM or in a private thread where relevant. i will speed up the night if all players tell me they want that

Nibbui been killed in the night! he was a

Vanilla Townie.

I just checked the date and time of our role change and it was on Tursday January 1st 9:32 PM , that we received our rolechange.

Tuesday

TW lynch happened at 9:29 PM, so we got our rolechange PM 3 minutes after that.

[skitter30]

i'll explain all of it (and the implications therein) once i claim
(i'm aware i prob sound very cryptic from anyone not-me's pov)

if i'm literally never getting lynched today i'll just fullclaim today

ie i thought a lot about the implications of the role-change overnight and what it said about the gamestate and scum basically had two options to try to work around it from my pov, and i believed one was much more likely than the other, but if they're going by that less likely option i really don't want to make thigns a lot easier for them because that would suck a lot

[skitter30]

The way my role works is different from the way your role works.

right but the point is that both of them being in the same game makes very little sense to me

[Mephistophanes 39]

Because what you're describing is vastly different from what I described from the onset?

yeah that's why it doesn't make sense to me
explain very slowly why it means your role exists

I don't see how it's not clear.
You are describing one role mechanic that applies to you--you got something from the scum.
I am describing a different role mechanic that applies to me and my target, Mephistophanes--I gave something to them.
The way my role works is different from the way your role works.

That's proof that I am not copying the mechanic of your role, and proof that you are not copying the mechanic of mine.

And thus, that is proof that my role is real, because I don't lie about roles. Any player who knows me can vouch for this fact. (Which, mind you, was another reason for the Mephistophanes target--Nancy may or may not make this vouch, but that hydra is half

Aristophanes

, and he most certainly would. I was also fairly confident Nibbui could do similar. LolWagons/Slaxx has rusted to the point where I wasn't sure he could, and Pink Ball confessed that while an alt they are unfamiliar with me, soooooooo.)

True, you didn’t lie about your role in RC uPick but you did in Minuet.

[mastina]

TW lynch happened at 9:29 PM, so we got our rolechange PM 3 minutes after that.

Which makes perfect sense.
Because I can change my target any time prior to the end of the phase.
Obviously, the change can't take place

until

the end of the phase. (Specifically, immediately after.)

[Mephistophanes 39]

TW lynch happened at 9:29 PM, so we got our rolechange PM 3 minutes after that.

Which makes perfect sense.
Because I can change my target any time prior to the end of the phase.
Obviously, the change can't take place

until

the end of the phase. (Specifically, immediately after.)

What rolechange did you give to Nibui?

[mastina]

The way my role works is different from the way your role works.

right but the point is that both of them being in the same game makes very little sense to me

And yet, they do.

you did in Minuet.

No, I didn't.

I claimed, truthfully, that I was an N2 vigilante.
I also claimed, semi-truthfully, with very careful wording, that I would be conftown on D3...from a certain point of view. Specifically, the viewpoint that a vig kill could only come from town, thus, me proving my role would be proof of my town alignment.
The

initial

claim was a

half

-truth: the truth, from a

certain

point of view.
The

actual

claim was a

complete

truth. I was precisely what I said I was.

[mastina]

What rolechange did you give to Nibui?

anyways for the role you're claiming, do you know what you give out or is it just mystic 'true role' stuff?

If I knew what I was giving out, this is something I'd be able to 'crumb to my target.

I do not.

I don't know what power I gave to you, I don't know what power I gave to Nibbui, and I don't know what power I'll give to whoever I target today. I only know that I give them a power. You should absolutely not reveal it tho.

[Mephistophanes 39]

The way my role works is different from the way your role works.

right but the point is that both of them being in the same game makes very little sense to me

And yet, they do.

you did in Minuet.

No, I didn't.

I claimed, truthfully, that I was an N2 vigilante.
I also claimed, semi-truthfully, with very careful wording, that I would be conftown on D3...from a certain point of view. Specifically, the viewpoint that a vig kill could only come from town, thus, me proving my role would be proof of my town alignment.
The

initial

claim was a

half

-truth: the truth, from a

certain

point of view.
The

actual

claim was a

complete

truth. I was precisely what I said I was.

Lol, I can find you the quote if you like. Prior to that, you claimed D3? IC iirc.

[Slaxx]

Okay thought: what if the town role is “give a mystery power to a chosen person”
And the scum role is “give a chosen role to a non-NK mystery person”

[Slaxx]

Like, was the wording that they had chosen you, chosen the power, or was it explicit either way, Skitter?

[Mephistophanes 39]

What rolechange did you give to Nibui?

anyways for the role you're claiming, do you know what you give out or is it just mystic 'true role' stuff?

If I knew what I was giving out, this is something I'd be able to 'crumb to my target.

I do not.

I don't know what power I gave to you, I don't know what power I gave to Nibbui, and I don't know what power I'll give to whoever I target today. I only know that I give them a power. You should absolutely not reveal it tho.

No, there isn’t much point to it but I’m trying to find some way of either confirming or debunking your claim and Skitter’s claim doesn’t make any sense with it.

[mastina]

you did in Minuet.

No, I didn't.

I claimed, truthfully, that I was an N2 vigilante.

I also claimed, semi-truthfully, with very careful wording, that I would be conftown on D3...from a certain point of view. Specifically, the viewpoint that a vig kill could only come from town, thus, me proving my role would be proof of my town alignment.
The

initial

claim was a

half

-truth: the truth, from a

certain

point of view.
The

actual

claim was a

complete

truth. I was precisely what I said I was.

Lol, I can find you the quote if you like. Prior to that, you claimed D3? IC iirc.

So can I.

Actual claim: Night 2 Vig; last night, I shot Purrcocet.

(And yes, it's spelled that way. Not Vigilante; Vig. Not N2, Night 2.)

I was basically breadcrumbing this role in every fucking post of mine (I can pull up my VERY specific wordings in a bit), but.
The reasoning for the fakeclaim should be self-evident. I said on D3 I would be an innocent child; that's because you don't fucking give a vigilante to a scum player, and the proof would be in the second nightkill with me having killed Purrcocet. (Well originally I was planning on shooting Kokichi, but. Yaknow. Claimed my exact fucking role, and all that.) By claiming D3 Innocent Child, I would lead scum to think I had no night action; by claiming D3 innocent child, I would lead players to think that I was utterly harmless before D3.

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not

automatic

; I have to manually

trigger

it.

Investigatives should stay off of me because a gunsmith would get a guilty on me; rolecopping or vanilla copping or neapolitaning me would be a waste because my role would be proven come N2 with a successful vig.

I made it clear from the wording here what my true role is. AUTOMATIC-->guns. TRIGGER-->guns.

I guarantee you.

On D3, after I have triggered my action.

I will be conftown.

Again, I specify TRIGGER. I also was very careful with my wording. I never said that I would trigger my action ON D3. I said, QUITE SPECIFICALLY, I would be conftown on D3 after HAVING triggered my action.

Wrt innocent child shenanigans it's possible they have something to do with the "main characters" this setup is based around

I'm not a main character; my confirmation comes from a different method altogether.

My confirmation method comes from being a fucking vig.

Or they'll just do to you what they did to me and vanillarize-neighborize you.

That'd be their funeral then because it'd turn this game from "not exactly something I want" to "oh fuck you I AM GOING TO WIN THIS SHIT" mode.

Vanillaizing an innocent child wouldn't do much because I go without being conftown in most games, but I was specifically putting A LOT OF EFFORT into the strategy behind my vig; being vanillaized after I worked so hard on that would be a "fuck you".

This is no excuse to not post any reads because you can die before hand.

I have my reasons.

Put it this way.

If a townread of mine gets run up, I'll defend them.

I'll give thoughts on players randomly. Some of these may even be productive.

But I've no reason to give full reads before then.

Also this is a good way to help ensure I

don't

bite the bullet before D3. The suspicion on me helps me stay alive.

I know how to play roles, even ones I'm not particularly fond of. (I mean, I love being conftown, but this is a fairly shitty way to get it.) And I promise you, this is the best possibly strategy for me holding this role.

"Bite the bullet" was another hint, but the strongest hint here was "roles I'm not particularly fond of". What role have I on NUMEROUS different occasions stated I absolutely loathe? That's right. Vigilante. I hate them with a passion, but they have one particular use--being made conftown. It's a SHITTY way to become conftown, but it's becoming conftown nonetheless.

Also, this was me outlining my plan.

I wasn't going to give scumreads because guess what? As a fucking vig, I can let my SHOT do the talking in terms of scumreads.

I never lie about being conftownable as town.

Exaggerate

, yes.

Mislead

, sure!
But lie, fuck no, I know better than that.

So I guarantee you.

I will be conftown.

Here I basically admitted that I was in fact not a D3 IC, because the D3 IC claim was precisely this: misleading, and exaggeration, but still the truth, because by shooting N2, I'd be conftown on D3, just as good as an IC.

I'm gonna guess she's on a team with a vanillarizor or something and planned to explain it away that way or something

Joke's on them if they vanillaize me, actually. I'd laugh my ass off if they tried.

The assumption here was that I wouldn't be vanillaized N1 (after all, they thought I couldn't be conftown until D3 so why vanillaize me N1?), and if they attempted it N2, it presumably wouldn't stop my shot from going off. Thus, why the joke would be on them if they had tried; I'd still have fucked them over with the shot.

VOTE: Katsuki

I buy Katsuki's D5 Innocent Child claim if Katsuki has the two-phase-shifted equivalent of my role. (I

suspect

Katsuki would be able to share details about my role from their own, if so inclined to share, which I imagine Katsuki is not.)

So that's not a lynch ever happening because Katsuki is going to be just as conftown as I am, albeit two phases later than I will be.

Here I stated my suspicion that Katsuki had an Night 4 Vig. I was VERY careful about my wording. Not "two-day-shifted". Two PHASE shifted. And I suspected Katsuki would be able to give details of this.

if we have 2 ics there must be a disadvantage somewhere else

Would you believe me if I said I had an idea of what?

The disadvantage I am referring to here is how Vigs require KILLING, to REMOVE a player from the game--yes, they become conftown by having done so, but shots are DISPROPORTIONATELY likely to be on town (thus why I hate vigs), on top of the chance of failure (thus the gambit to help ensure I'd succeed).

Point out the lie there, because there's none to be had; I did in fact shoot Purrcocet N2 as a N2 Vigilante that game, and those breadcrumbs were deliberately planted there precisely as I said they were.

[Slaxx]

Meh. That’s what I’m going with.

Scum Mystery Box: Give chosen power from a list to non-NK target each night
Town Myster Box: Give unknown power to chosen person

If anyone has better theories toss them out there.

[Slaxx]

Okay stop with the fucking quote walls on other games seriously

It took me too long to scroll through that on mobile

[Mephistophanes 39]

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

quote]

VOTE: Purrcocet.

Purr's got some 'splaining to do.

Actual claim: Night 2 Vig; last night, I shot Purrcocet.

(And yes, it's spelled that way. Not Vigilante; Vig. Not N2, Night 2.)

Purrcocet, a scumread of mine no less!, claimed my fucking role. He fucking claimed Night 2 vigilante. I had been

planning

to shoot someone like, say, Kokichi Oma, but as a vig the correct play is to always just fucking shoot your counterclaim especially when you don't get the chance to fucking talk all of D2.

I was basically breadcrumbing this role in every fucking post of mine (I can pull up my VERY specific wordings in a bit), but.
The reasoning for the fakeclaim should be self-evident. I said on D3 I would be an innocent child; that's because you don't fucking give a vigilante to a scum player, and the proof would be in the second nightkill with me having killed Purrcocet. (Well originally I was planning on shooting Kokichi, but. Yaknow. Claimed my exact fucking role, and all that.) By claiming D3 Innocent Child, I would lead scum to think I had no night action; by claiming D3 innocent child, I would lead players to think that I was utterly harmless before D3.

But for SOME fucking reason.

Purrcocet isn't dead.

So.

Purrcocet.
You've got some 'splainin' to do.

Convenient, that you left that part out.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Okay stop with the fucking quote walls on other games seriously

It took me too long to scroll through that on mobile

Mastina neglected her initial D3 IC claim, which was obviously false.

[skitter30]

Like, was the wording that they had chosen you, chosen the power, or was it explicit either way, Skitter?

they wording def implied that they picked me specifically to give it to, and i asked shadd to confirm that to make sure i wasn't reading into implications that didn't actually exist, as i have a tendency to do that sometimes

i'm pretty sure they didn't choose the nature of the pr, but they did know what they were giving me