Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[DrDolittle]

i read oka town btw

[BrightEyedFish]

Zero chance that's a real claim. It was clear Fish would be the lynch today, no way he didn't use it last night.

I almost used it on you N1 but tried not to play based on emotions

That doesn't matter. Why didn't you use it N2, after you were almost lynched yesterday and multiple other people said they were lynching you if Vorkuta flipped town?

Yet to see an answer to this.

I wanted to hold on to it, that is my choice. My lynching wasn't set in stone and I didn't feel the chances were good enough to get a good result.
Optimally I would have waited till night 4 or later but it looks like I'll have to use it tonight since I've openly claimed.

[DrDolittle]

creature can you throw me two of your recent scum games

[DrDolittle]

with the voyeur + traitor flips this is likely to be a game of little PR powers. does 1-shot neop make sense in this set up?

[DrDolittle]

nvm i was think of vanilla cop instead

[OkaPoka]

@creature i still don't see why my play isn't the best play here.

@bef i think mbaki is asking why you held it if you knew you were going to be pushed today

[DrDolittle]

Why did DDL hesitate on Vork then?

UNVOTE:
need2think

Scum 99.8 percent on the lynch block does not claim VT? Do they?

Maybe I'm over thinking this.

If you know you are gonna die, would you still claim VT as scum? Why not a hail Mary PR reaction test

i still feel uneasy though.

if vork flips town, then tomorrow it feels almost natural to push bef.
but as creature echoed, I can also see them both as town.

this potentially hints at scum pushing narratives around and lining up easy mislynches.

I dislike all of these posts, especially the last one, and it just feels like a way for DDL to make himself look better if Vorkuta flips town. Hate the admittance that it feels natural to push BEF but the addition of the wishy-washy "I could see him as town." The amount of hesitation based off only my intent to hammer and a VT claim doesn't feel real. It's a somewhat smart move for scum since they know looking at the people on Voruta's wagon will be the next step.

btw i promised to quote this

[BrightEyedFish]

@creature i still don't see why my play isn't the best play here.

@bef i think mbaki is asking why you held it if you knew you were going to be pushed today

In short, I didn't want to use it. I think it best to hold on until the player size is smaller. We can argue over how my strategy or someone's strategy is better but it can't change anything now.
My hand has been forced and I'll probably have to use my 1 shot tonight.

[mbaki]

Optimal time ignoring game circumstances for a one shot cop-type role is N2, because if your inno is run up you can claim to clear both of you. With only one shot, being outed doesn't really matter. Waiting as long as you claim to want to is senseless, as the odds you won't be either killed or run up to a claim by that point are low enough.

You won't be using your shot tonight if you're town because you're going to be lynched today, and if it's a mislynch (its not) so be it.

You were pretty clearly the day 3 lynch and at the very least a strong candidate for it. If you seriously chose not to get your 1 single result your role gets last night, I have no words.

[OkaPoka]

omg is mbaki town

[Suka]

mbaki's town, yes.

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

It's suboptimal to lynch a claim that's likely dying tonight anyway

what

I doubt scum has a roleblocker, so we can let scum kill BEF or have him clear someone (like you) tonight.

[Creature]

i read oka town btw

Dunno, still skeptical about that L-1 vote.

[Creature]

creature can you throw me two of your recent scum games

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77628
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77190

[Creature]

@creature i still don't see why my play isn't the best play here.

I knew BEF was gonna be hardpushed today, but didn't expect you to be so eager on it.

[Creature]

I think it best to hold on until the player size is smaller.

Not really, one clear is still pretty useful.

[Dannflor]

omg is mbaki town

wow this took long enough

Dann thinks he has figured me out. Game solved. No need to discuss anything more today.
1 hour into the day and it looks like dann is finished so he then directly calls out kmd and Varsoon.
That some überobvtown there.


VOTE: dannflor

Heh? I think I do have you figured out, yes. Nowhere did I say there is nothing more to discuss today. While I believe you should be the lynch today 100%, that does not imply I want it to be a quick lynch, the more time we have to prepare for the next day the better. I did say I'd need a better defense for you for me to back down from this, which I think is absolutely fair, considering your defense so far seems to be this... OMGUS shit?

Yeah dannflor is not looking good.
I would expect that detective dann inspect the Nero NK but I have a feeling he knew it was coming.

If anyone wants to follow dann, go ahead. In the meantime I'll see if there is anything to learn from nero's flip.

Could you actually do this instead of just saying you will?

None of BEF's reactions to his wagon and the pressure on him have been town

It's basically inevitable now...

1-shot Neapolitan.
No, I haven't used my ability yet was going to save it as long as possible or when the number of players was smaller so I could sort my result better.

Here comes the goon lol hammer I assume.

I've already claimed. What good is L-1 if you don't want a quick hammer.
If I was scum my partner would be MIA for the rest of the day gaurenteed.

None of these posts read genuine.

Dann, who do you think the last scum is? I don't know if scum could really afford to bus today so I'm tempted to clear the wagon. That said, this playerlist is weak enough I don't feel confident they'd think that far ahead either.

I actually wouldn't be so ready to write off the wagon on BEF as town. At least going by the way BEF is behaving, I think it's very likely the scum team is panicking and may want to try and secure themselves free town cred by showing no hesitation for this lynch. As confident as I am in BEF, this speed this lynch got to a claim makes me a little uncomfortable?

BEF is completely right on one thing though, everything is not figured out yet. I'm busy this afternoon, but I'll come back this evening and try to sort my strong town reads from my weak town reads. I have the same uneasiness with Oka's latest move that Creature does, (and I think he or Varsoon is most likely candidate for "panicking scum desperate for town cred") but I'm gonna have to revisit his ISO completely because I had been thinking he was town up until today.

[Suka]

VOTE: Bright

[BrightEyedFish]

I think it best to hold on until the player size is smaller.

Not really, one clear is still pretty useful.

I have yet pick up on any hints on PRs nor do I have any strong TRs. It would be like shooting in the dark and hoping I get a VT result and hoping I don't put a guilty on someone and out another PR.

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

It's suboptimal to lynch a claim that's likely dying tonight anyway

I'm not sure I buy this logic. If BEF didn't die during the night, that wouldn't automatically incriminate him because of the existence of healer roles and roleblockers and scum playing mindgames. We'd be left in exactly the same situation tomorrow as we are today concerning BEF. Why should we not lynch him today?

[Dannflor]

I have yet pick up on any hints on PRs nor do I have any strong TRs. It would be like shooting in the dark and hoping I get a VT result and hoping I don't put a guilty on someone and out another PR.

You could have targeted DDL? Someone unlikely to die and someone who had already claimed VT. You would have confirmed his innocence or confirmed he was scum fake claiming.

[Suka]

Town: mbaki, Varsoon, Dann, Creature, Oka, DrDo

Scum: Bright, kmd

If either Bright/kmd flip town, last scum is between Oka/DrDo.

[mbaki]

@creature i still don't see why my play isn't the best play here.

I knew BEF was gonna be hardpushed today, but didn't expect you to be so eager on it.

I'm surprised Oka didn't push me on day start after how I basically shouted at everyone until Vorkuta was lynched.

[BrightEyedFish]

I have yet pick up on any hints on PRs nor do I have any strong TRs. It would be like shooting in the dark and hoping I get a VT result and hoping I don't put a guilty on someone and out another PR.

You could have targeted DDL? Someone unlikely to die and someone who had already claimed VT. You would have confirmed his innocence or confirmed he was scum fake claiming.

You're right.
Honestly I didn't think on that. DDL is one of my SRs and maybe I should have thought it more through.

If you want to lynch me go ahead. I don't know what else I can say other than what I already have. I get my play could have been better. I think mbaki got under my skin early and I've been too heavily influenced by that grudge.

My lynch will bring nothing good for town. And of course you expect everyone about to be hammered to say something of those sorts.

I think the lynch is set. Scum knows this and will stay silent. Maybe town will try to find out more info but come tomorrow. Town will just be worse off than before barring some super relavation though a PRs night action.

It's been a bad game for me all around and I feel its too late for me to get back on track and out from under this pressure.

If you think I'm scum, do what you got to do. But please don't vote me just because you think I'm bad town.

[Creature]

I think it best to hold on until the player size is smaller.

Not really, one clear is still pretty useful.

I have yet pick up on any hints on PRs nor do I have any strong TRs. It would be like shooting in the dark and hoping I get a VT result and hoping I don't put a guilty on someone and out another PR.

YES! There's SOMEONE who's either VT or LYING. Its name? DRDOLITTLE.