Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[OkaPoka]

Unless varsoon is an IC, he's scum here.

[Varsoon]

Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.

[Varsoon]

Unless varsoon is an IC, he's scum here.

I have no idea how you could hold this position unless you're scum.
And if I was an IC, I would've already triggered it.
Besides, isn't delayed-IC non-normal anyway?

[OkaPoka]

Okay then you are scum here.

[Varsoon]

Too bad I'm not.
Wow what an awesome conversation that goes nowhere.

[OkaPoka]

I'll claim and I'll be the only one who claims after Varsoon.

He knows he's caught and he's going to take down prs with him.

[mbaki]

Unless varsoon is an IC, he's scum here.

If you had a cop, a guilty wouldn't allow for an IC.

If you had a role cop, you would already know he's a ninja or strongman or other scum role, and not an IC.

I believe he could be, absolutely, I need your answer if you are thinking he's scum on play or if you have role reasons to think so.

[OkaPoka]

Play.

[Varsoon]

I'm not caught and if you're planning on fake-claiming after me (which is pretty obvious because it should be evident your scumteam is cooked once town is proposing mass claims), it's painfully obvious.

You're talking really big for having literally no case against me.
Unvote.

[mbaki]

Then mass claim is still optimal. Mass claim the day before LyLo is the right answer. The exception is if there's a guilty claimed, ie. role reasons.

[Varsoon]

Oka, you're trying to force a situation where town compromises its massclaim.

Unvote.

[OkaPoka]

I'm not fakeclaiming against you.

If you want me to case you I can. I don't think I need to because anyone can click ISO on you and come to the same conclusion as me. If I have to gladiate votes onto you I will.

I don't need to unvote.

fine we can mass claim but varsoon goes first because I think I see exactly where this is going.

[Varsoon]

Creature always goes before me, no matter what.

[mbaki]

Varsoon is claiming a result on Creature, and Suka is claiming to have a result on Varsoon that supports him having an action. That means Creature -> Varsoon claim is fine I think.

[OkaPoka]

you know what I'll just say what I'm thinking.

Varsoon knows he's going to get lynched sooner or later. He might as well try and force out pr claims so his buddy can knock out all the threats. He's going to go ahead and make up a result that incriminates one pr or another to try and get them ML and then he's going to get his bud to shoot the other pr.

Now that I've said that I've poisoned the well. But that's why I don't want to massclaim. I think we are playing directly into his hands.

[Varsoon]

I'm not going to get lynched because I'm town and it'll be painfully obvious post-claim.

Now unvote.

[Creature]

Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.

So we're not following the order where I am second-to-last?

[OkaPoka]

Why does it matter if I unvote?

If scum decides to yoloquickhammer here, they would out themselves.

They can't win in this nightphase. They have no extra kills, that is not normal. 4v9 isn't possible.

[Varsoon]

@Creature: Oka's demanding I go before him.
We could also popcorn to others. I dunno what the plan is.

[Varsoon]

Why does it matter if I unvote?

If scum decides to yoloquickhammer here, they would out themselves.

They can't win in this nightphase. They have no extra kills, that is not normal. 4v9 isn't possible.

The closer ANYONE is to lynch range, the easier it is for some stupid shit to happen that compromises us during or after massclaim and I'm not going to let this game be a loss because someone got a hard on for me.

[Suka]

I don't mind getting Creature's claim before Varsoon. Varsoon needs to claim immediately after Creature, and Oka needs to claim immediately after Varsoon.

We'll go from there.

I do have a result on Varsoon so his claim better be consistent with it.

[Creature]

Would you rather I claim now or have someone claim before me?

[Suka]

Just claim.

Varsoon after you.

Oka after Varsoon.

[Creature]

I feel like we'll go nowhere if I take too long to claim.

So I'm Town [redacted] Commuter and I commuted N1.

Varsoon, your turn.

[Creature]

(I had it copypasted before 2146, am sorry for actually taking long)