micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[skitter30]

Wait a freaking minute, maybe what you saw as Meph visiting sheep is them giving him this new useless power? And now they're claiming a guilty anticipating that you would visit them? Ooooooh this makes sense.

ya maybe? i was thinking this
i guess i'm wondering why they would have chosen to make him a n6 vig instead of like killing someone last night (i guess i'm implicitly assuming they aren't multi-tasking and that the nk wasn't blocked some other way)

i think mass-claim is next on the agenda

[Slaxx]

i was considering a 3man scumteam actually. but i think that ... prob isn't what we're dealing with here?

I’ve been rolling this around in my head a while and now I think that could be the case but is unlikely

My final thought is if there’s nothing to account for the kill, Meph could have opted to give the power and not kill knowing she would be Tracker, and decided to give the n6 Vig to sheep which counted as a cost just as a factional kill would.

That would make some sort of sense, as now we are back down to a useless vig and your role again.

[Pink Ball]

Yep I'm not used to setup specs but I think Meph is lying about their claim. Cash me outside howbow dah

[skitter30]

We got an N2 investigation called an Investigatoire. It gives us either an Innocent (green) or a Guilty (red) on an investigated player. Obviously we targeted Sheep last night, and we returned a Guilty (red) result.

isn't this basically a cop?
like this doesn't function like a gunsmith, rihgt?

[skitter30]

My final thought is if there’s nothing to account for the kill, Meph could have opted to give the power and not kill knowing she would be Tracker, and decided to give the n6 Vig to sheep which counted as a cost just as a factional kill would.

say this again?

[Slaxx]

Sorry I’ve been drinking

If there’s nothing to account for the lack of kill, it’s possible, maybe probable, Meph had to still give that power out and didn’t want to Costa on the Tracker report so she no killed. That would explain pretty much everything in the most parsimonious way.

[Slaxx]

To costa = Two visits lol sorry

[Slaxx]

Let’s do it this way:

You know you’re tomorrow’s lynch. You know the Tracker is on you. You have to come up with a solution and you have to give a gift out.

You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.

[skitter30]

If there’s nothing to account for the lack of kill, it’s possible, maybe probable, Meph had to still give that power out and didn’t want to Costa on the Tracker report so she no killed. That would explain pretty much everything in the most parsimonious way.

yeah that makes sense

thoughts on mass-claim? i want to check if there was some other way for the nk to go missing (besides shooting me obvs)

[Pink Ball]

I'm pretty fine with this. VOTE: Mephistophanes

If they flip what they said they had, we lynch sheep tomorrow, but I was already scumreading Meph before the day started. I did some research on Aristophanes and him letting Nancy do the talking is scummy from him, especially when everyone said Nancy towntelled, he just coasted away.

Also, I think mastina tried to do some insane things that would make us think "there's no way these two are partners": having NSG as their biggest townread; doing the weird gambit where mastina said she gave Meph a new power, and so on.

p-edit: I'm down for mass claim, I think I already soft claimed a couple of times.

[Slaxx]

I really didnt like the specificity of that role PM, seems like a bit much.

I’m down with a claim to make sure we aren’t missing anything on the no kill.

You’re the clear, you call it.

[skitter30]

You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.

like i guess the one sticking point i have is that the way that they described recieving their role kinda jives with mine in a few details (i guess i feel angle-shoot-y elaborating)

but a Guilty read would not.

and this is kinda dubious but like my role pm clarified the implications of results too (ie by specifying that i can track any nk and that there are no killing ninjas)

bleh i wish we forced them to claim yesterday

[Slaxx]

I’m fact you should probably call the order skitter, unless you think that would be tipping your hand too much.

[skitter30]

I really didnt like the specificity of that role PM, seems like a bit much.

yeah but mine kinda was specific like that too

[Slaxx]

You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.

like i guess the one sticking point i have is that the way that they described recieving their role kinda jives with mine in a few details (i guess i feel angle-shoot-y elaborating)

but a Guilty read would not.

and this is kinda dubious but like my role pm clarified the implications of results too (ie by specifying that i can track any nk and that there are no killing ninjas)

bleh i wish we forced them to claim yesterday

That’s fair, I forgot about that piece. I guess that quells that suspicion, but it doesn’t really change the overall point. Occam’s razor worked yesterday and I’m fairly confident it will work today.

[sheepsaysmeep]

lolthisgame if meph flips w and it doesnt end


but i dont think there should ever be a world where mastina is vanilla mafia and knows that town got a role like that

[skitter30]

what do you mean?

[Pink Ball]

podoboq is never scum because mastina would've been bussing on D1 and mastina was a goon so I assume the remaining scum is something better.

[Slaxx]

i guess there's a slight chance that mastina isn't scum here but a lot of things are pointing in that direction rn for me

Yup

The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.

And apparently Meph said her power might not be that great. So.

Out rolechange doesn’t benefit Mastina in anyway.

That’s why I believe she doesn’t know what it is but yeah, not too useful.

How’s a 1-shot cop not useful on a game of 9 with one clear

[skitter30]

if meph or sheep have anything to further claim that they have not yet claimed, they should do so now

[Slaxx]

I just don’t buy the claim. Just like Mastina’s too much has to be going on in the setup for it to be a thing.

[skitter30]

podoboq is never scum because mastina would've been bussing on D1 and mastina was a goon so I assume the remaining scum is something better.

i kinda wondered this
my gut says that it's a goon/goon team with a factional-gift-giving ability

i actually wouldn't be surprised if they were scum and she pushed him that way to distance - day1 she consistently went after tw instead of podoboq, and day2 she had to know that there wasn't a chance in hell that podoboq was getting wagoned at her suggestion.

he was never actually in danger of being lynched so i'm not sure we should be clearing him for that

[skitter30]

so like ... instead of nk'ing someone they decide to make sheep a n6 vig?
like if i were in their shoes that's not a decision i would make like ever

[skitter30]

sheep did you get your role n2 or at the end of day2?

[Slaxx]

Podo was pretty hard pressing Mastina on D2. Even when everyone was faltering I felt like him and I were solidly not switching.

Also I still just have a good townread on him from his D1 play.