micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

Vote count 3.1

Mephistophanes 39 (2):

sheepsaysmeep, Pink Ball

sheepsaysmeep (1):

Mephistophanes 39

not voting (3):

podoboq, skitter30, Slaxx

with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 3 ends january 22 (2019) at 20:30 central US time; in (expired on 2019-01-22 20:30:00)

mod notes

• skitter is:
  VLA on FRIDAYS and SATURDAYS! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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[Slaxx]

yeah pdoboq has some clearing interactions iwth mastina day1 that i forgot about

Yup. Podo was town on his own and that flip makes him super town.

The Meph-Mastina interactions actually dent my read a little bit but it’s not enough to convince me to switch. Everything they did was within the realm of distancing and Meph’s mention of her voting Mastina as a defense they were partners before she even flipped really erodes any credibility she might have built up doing that.

[skitter30]

Yup. I think it’s in the bag today. I don’t think Mastina planned on getting lynched despite the gambit and I think this was all that could be done. It’s interesting you bring that up because maybe that’s why they thought they could do it.

yeah
like i said once i got this the question became: who thinks it's a good idea to make me a bp ic in this pl
because if i were scum a player like me is literally the last person i give this role to

and that's kinda the lens that i've been viewing the game since n1
and my best guess was that someone thought they could make me mess up lylo (i've gotten xylo wrong .... exactly once)
and it kinda just felt like someone was trying to make me overthink things

[Slaxx]

Yup. I think it’s in the bag today. I don’t think Mastina planned on getting lynched despite the gambit and I think this was all that could be done. It’s interesting you bring that up because maybe that’s why they thought they could do it.

yeah
like i said once i got this the question became: who thinks it's a good idea to make me a bp ic in this pl
because if i were scum a player like me is literally the last person i give this role to

and that's kinda the lens that i've been viewing the game since n1
and my best guess was that someone thought they could make me mess up lylo (i've gotten xylo wrong .... exactly once)
and it kinda just felt like someone was trying to make me overthink things

Too many townread you, it was objectively bad play. That power should have gone to me, Kirby, or maybe sheep every time there.

[Slaxx]

Absolutely, unequivocally, you were supposed to get that slot mislynched on day 2.

[skitter30]

yeah exactly

also idk when they decided to give this to me or if scum!nsg would have been active in the scum pt even, but i don't think scum!nsg like ever chooses to give this to me in like a bilion years

she also repped out fairly early on so this observation is fairly moot

also i the meph/mastina interactions day1 feel kinda anti-partner-y tbh

(i'm kinda thinking aloud now)

[skitter30]

Absolutely, unequivocally, you were supposed to get that slot mislynched on day 2.

?

[skitter30]

scum!nsg repping out that way leaves a fairly bad taste in my mouth tho

[Slaxx]

Absolutely, unequivocally, you were supposed to get that slot mislynched on day 2.

?

Your role. They tried to wifom you.

That role was meant to be mislynched before it became mod confirmed. That was the game. You go from easy mode to hard mode not doing it.

[skitter30]

So if you insist on discussing this, you’re going to have to be extremely cognizant about not tipping your hand at all.

In spite of my reputation, I can when the occasion calls for it keep things close to my chest!

fun fact!
schadd specifically said that *scum* were responsible for my role change last night (and you're claiming to have changed a role so ..... i would be shocked if someone else had their role changed too)

You were not my target. Someone else was, so there is in fact someone else who has a changed role.

They would vouch for me.

But again.

That would be anti-town.

Do you really want to force the issue or will you trust me when I say that I didn't target you but my target is still alive and has a changed role?

How do we know that Schadd didn’t do this?

If your not reponsible for Skitter’s rolechange, why should we believe your claim? And what would you say, if Nibbul denies they had a role change?

ok

so town!meph got a mysterious role overnight.
i say that my role changed too
mastina is claiming to have changed someone's role and that it wasn't mine

why is meph's reaction to this to *not* believe her claim?

now, suppose scum!meph coordinated with mastina to fabricate a fake-claim about recieving a role n1
again, why do they *not* believe mastina's claim here?

irregardless of meph's alignment this post is quite odd
also she seemed ot have forgotten nibbui was the nk?

[Slaxx]

The nightkill thing read as kind of town to me.

But, there was a point later on where she scumread me strongly but kept mocking me for missing the d1 lynch which raised huge red flags

I think I even pointed it out and no one said much about it

[skitter30]

Absolutely, unequivocally, you were supposed to get that slot mislynched on day 2.

?

Your role. They tried to wifom you.

That role was meant to be mislynched before it became mod confirmed. That was the game. You go from easy mode to hard mode not doing it.

oh yeah
their options were to try to lynch me day2 or try to fool me in lylo (or they have some hitherto unused strongman)

and that's why i played start of day2 kinda cautiously; i wanted to make sure there was literally no chance in hell i was getting lynched when i'd be an ic day3

but mastina was still being kinda pocket-y day2 (ie when i cc'd her if she was trying to get me lynched she should have voted me there; she tried to get me to believe her role and to like reason with me).
also like i'm not really mislynchable and i think mastina knows that; i don't think they were trying to mislynch me day2

[skitter30]

also i'd like everyone to share their reads on me in as excruciating detail as possible, thank you

You're a townread of mine, but not the type of person I wanted to target with my ability. (Thus, why I did not.)

I stated why yesterday: you are a reasonably skilled scum player whose scumplay is nigh-identical to your towngame, but you have displayed original thoughts that I felt were indicative of you being town. These thoughts didn't elevate you to supertown levels of the core townbloc, infallible town I could never be wrong on, but they did elevate you to be a solid townread.

^^^^ like this doesn't come from someone trying to mislynch me that day after i effectively cc'd her

[skitter30]

P.edit. What if more people than Skitter had a role change?

It points to your claim as not being legit, since according to your claim, only one player ought to have had their rolechanged, correct?

So, who changed Skitter’s then, according to you?

like ... why does scum!meph go down this route

[skitter30]

But Skitter and us had our rolechanged. How do you account for that?

BECAUSE YOU WERE MY FUCKING TARGET HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE

hmmmm

[Slaxx]

Question to everyone:

Would Mastina ever try to be intentionally scummy as town or is it more likely to be scum WIFOM?

This looks like fishing for an out and everything in the ISO come 813 on without a vote looks like distancing.

[skitter30]

But Skitter and us had our rolechanged. How do you account for that?

BECAUSE YOU WERE MY FUCKING TARGET HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE

Why did you say it was Nibbui then?

So, you’re saying Skitter is lying then? *confused*

like was she faking this or like did she actually not understand the plan or like

[Slaxx]

Not 813 on but between 813 and that post

[Slaxx]

Skitter
Nibbul
Pink Ball
The Worst

I’m currently feeling the best about, so far.

Also what the hell happened between 832 and here

[Slaxx]

Oh wait I misread that as a scumlost nvm

[skitter30]

yeah ok those were the townie posts; it's mostly the sheer cluelessness of what their plan had to have been

ngl i wish i just got an inno/guilty on them so that i didn't have to like try to sort them.
my gut says this may be a mislynch but i'd kinda rather it happen today than to try to sort through it in mylo tbh

[Slaxx]

Meh. I think that’s probably a sign I’ve got my confbias goggles on and need to break.

I think it’s still entirely possible the play was just sloppy and the plan wasn’t put together well, the fact we have one goon flipped and you’re clear supports that. I’ve always been a proponent of lynching based on scumreads and not setup spec but just like Mastina yesterday I don’t see how Meph flips town here even with slightly positive interactions with Mastina.

[Slaxx]

yeah ok those were the townie posts; it's mostly the sheer cluelessness of what their plan had to have been

ngl i wish i just got an inno/guilty on them so that i didn't have to like try to sort them.
my gut says this may be a mislynch but i'd kinda rather it happen today than to try to sort through it in mylo tbh

I get that.

Sheep and Kirby made me a little uncomfortable with the quick votes, so maybe I need to back off setup spec and take a look at the thread again... it’s just... setup spec worked so well yesterday lol.

[Slaxx]

Still though, if you’re reading someone as strong scum like she claimed to be reading me does it really occur to you to mock them for being wrong? I feel like “being wrong” isn’t really a thing with that strong of a scumread, you just assume that was intentional. Idk.

[skitter30]

ok i'm going to bounce cuz i need to sleep

but for when i get back to this i want to go through the implications of this:
if meph was scum they presumably knew i got my role
and probably that mastina was going to fake-claim there

so why were they clueless but at the same time have a role that doesn't feel like it was made up on the spot?