micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[Slaxx]

I’m also going to sleep but my initial response to that is they didn’t

Yesterday they claimed it was weak and today they claimed it was a 1-shot cop which is decidedly not weak

[Mephistophanes 39]

Hard claim. Mastina’s gft was a N2 investigative and yes, we have a guilty.


VOTE: sheep

[Mephistophanes 39]

It’s okay, I unvoted, you’re not at L-1.

Wow. is town seriously this bad that they almost mislynched us over scum!sheep? *smdh*

[Mephistophanes 39]

I didn't. But what is this game even, why do we have a tracker and a cop if the flipped mafia was a goon. Is this a three-teamed mafia? Because if it is, Meph could be bussing.

No, this is why Mastina fooled us. That’s also why I still think she couldn’t have known what she gave us.

[Mephistophanes 39]

i was considering a 3man scumteam actually. but i think that ... prob isn't what we're dealing with here?

I don't think it either but I don't get why is there so many people with powers if the scumteam had a goon. The reason I thought we were all VTs and the scumteam had to give powers was because I thought they would both be strong PRs, so when mastina flipped goon I assumed Meph was lying about them having a power given by scum, since two town PRs would be too many.

So my conclusion is... Wait a freaking minute, maybe what you saw as Meph visiting sheep is them giving him this new useless power? And now they're claiming a guilty anticipating that you would visit them? Ooooooh this makes sense.

Lolwut?

No, Schaad posted the guilty result right in our hydra PT.

[Mephistophanes 39]

We got an N2 investigation called an Investigatoire. It gives us either an Innocent (green) or a Guilty (red) on an investigated player. Obviously we targeted Sheep last night, and we returned a Guilty (red) result.

isn't this basically a cop?
like this doesn't function like a gunsmith, rihgt?

I’m assuming like alignment cop, yeah.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Sorry I’ve been drinking

If there’s nothing to account for the lack of kill, it’s possible, maybe probable, Meph had to still give that power out and didn’t want to Costa on the Tracker report so she no killed. That would explain pretty much everything in the most parsimonious way.

No, we had no power to give out. Investigator is non-transferable.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Let’s do it this way:

You know you’re tomorrow’s lynch. You know the Tracker is on you. You have to come up with a solution and you have to give a gift out.

You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.

Why? I thought it obvious that sheep was? *confuzzled*

[Mephistophanes 39]

I'm pretty fine with this. VOTE: Mephistophanes

If they flip what they said they had, we lynch sheep tomorrow, but I was already scumreading Meph before the day started. I did some research on Aristophanes and him letting Nancy do the talking is scummy from him, especially when everyone said Nancy towntelled, he just coasted away.

Also, I think mastina tried to do some insane things that would make us think "there's no way these two are partners": having NSG as their biggest townread; doing the weird gambit where mastina said she gave Meph a new power, and so on.

p-edit: I'm down for mass claim, I think I already soft claimed a couple of times.

Why do you want to drag this out another day, when we have a guilty on sheep? That really seems suboptimal.

[Mephistophanes 39]

You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.

like i guess the one sticking point i have is that the way that they described recieving their role kinda jives with mine in a few details (i guess i feel angle-shoot-y elaborating)

but a Guilty read would not.

and this is kinda dubious but like my role pm clarified the implications of results too (ie by specifying that i can track any nk and that there are no killing ninjas)

bleh i wish we forced them to claim yesterday

Then sheep would have killed us.

[Mephistophanes 39]

lolthisgame if meph flips w and it doesnt end


but i dont think there should ever be a world where mastina is vanilla mafia and knows that town got a role like that

Of course it won’t, since we’re town, duh!

[Mephistophanes 39]

i guess there's a slight chance that mastina isn't scum here but a lot of things are pointing in that direction rn for me

Yup

The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.

And apparently Meph said her power might not be that great. So.

Out rolechange doesn’t benefit Mastina in anyway.

That’s why I believe she doesn’t know what it is but yeah, not too useful.

How’s a 1-shot cop not useful on a game of 9 with one clear

Because It was a

N2

investigative NOT a 1-shot and she flipped scum, so . . .

[Mephistophanes 39]

I just don’t buy the claim. Just like Mastina’s too much has to be going on in the setup for it to be a thing.

Welp, if you want to lose, it’s 100% not on us, then.

[Mephistophanes 39]

podoboq is never scum because mastina would've been bussing on D1 and mastina was a goon so I assume the remaining scum is something better.

i kinda wondered this
my gut says that it's a goon/goon team with a factional-gift-giving ability

i actually wouldn't be surprised if they were scum and she pushed him that way to distance - day1 she consistently went after tw instead of podoboq, and day2 she had to know that there wasn't a chance in hell that podoboq was getting wagoned at her suggestion.

he was never actually in danger of being lynched so i'm not sure we should be clearing him for that

Sheep was obvscum, before we even had the guilty. And since Mastina was goon, obviously everyone except for sheep is town, right?

[Mephistophanes 39]

so like ... instead of nk'ing someone they decide to make sheep a n6 vig?
like if i were in their shoes that's not a decision i would make like ever

My proposal is the factional gift is compulsive (it would have to be, why would you ever choose to give an BP IC) and, knowing that, and knowing she was most likely being tracked, that was the literal only choice. You can explain that, but how do you explain visiting the person who got the gift AND the night kill? Do we think it’s a coincidence Meph targeted sheep and sheep happened to get a gift? I don’t.

If sheep got any “gift”, it 100% wasn’t from us. Sheep is the very last player in this game, we would give any gift to, if we actually had one but we don’t. Seriously, you guys are tripping here. Woah.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Although I know your role pm was specific skitter, I find it weird that hers gives her an out on her ability if it’s wrong. I think the plan was to try to get sheep today and then just survive one more day somehow. Sometimes a spade is a spade.

God, this has to be one of the worst towns ever.

[Mephistophanes 39]

How about you both vote for Meph and we end this? I don't know if this game will get any more solved by discussing about the setup when the only informed player about this is the remaining scum. Let's just lynch Meph for the win and if it isn't, it will give us the info we need. sheep and meph already claimed, I softclaimed already and I think Slaxx did too. We could wait for podo but I'm pretty sure he will agree with us.

Why are you so eager to be WOAT?

[Mephistophanes 39]

How about you both vote for Meph and we end this? I don't know if this game will get any more solved by discussing about the setup when the only informed player about this is the remaining scum. Let's just lynch Meph for the win and if it isn't, it will give us the info we need. sheep and meph already claimed, I softclaimed already and I think Slaxx did too. We could wait for podo but I'm pretty sure he will agree with us.

i got my ability day1 tho (or at least, at the eod1/ start of n1) - like i guess having to give out a role day1 and n2 doesn't seem very symmetric?

I mean I can take time I’m in no rush

But just like yesterday, there’s no way in hell we don’t lynch Meph here.

There’s not a kill, and unless Podo comes in with an explanation, then my proposal explains everything.

It explains sheep receiving the kill, it explains the visit to sheep, it explains the lack of kill, all with minimal complication.

We investigated sheep, that’s it. How many freaking times do we have to repeat this?

[Mephistophanes 39]

We know people are receiving factional gifts from mafia, we know Meph visited sheep, we know sheep got a gift. We know there was no kill, and we are about to confirm nothing blocked the kill. We know Meph was likely going to be tracked, we know the only option was to give the gift. If they were tracked to kill and gift receiver it’s hands down game over. This was the only move available.

You KNOW sheep got a gift? Please share that with the class. I’m.waiting.

[Mephistophanes 39]

i want podoboq to check in to make sure they don't have something important to say relevant to this (ie that they're a rb and rb'd someone or something) and then i think i'm prob fine with lynching meph

also want sheep and meph to both fullclaim if they haven't done so

We were vt D1 as I said and received a N2 investigative, 3 minutes after tw mislynch. That’s all.

[Mephistophanes 39]

yeah pdoboq has some clearing interactions iwth mastina day1 that i forgot about

Yup. Podo was town on his own and that flip makes him super town.

The Meph-Mastina interactions actually dent my read a little bit but it’s not enough to convince me to switch. Everything they did was within the realm of distancing and Meph’s mention of her voting Mastina as a defense they were partners before she even flipped really erodes any credibility she might have built up doing that.

Don’t lose us this game please, not when we’re this close to winning it.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Yup. I think it’s in the bag today. I don’t think Mastina planned on getting lynched despite the gambit and I think this was all that could be done. It’s interesting you bring that up because maybe that’s why they thought they could do it.

yeah
like i said once i got this the question became: who thinks it's a good idea to make me a bp ic in this pl
because if i were scum a player like me is literally the last person i give this role to

and that's kinda the lens that i've been viewing the game since n1
and my best guess was that someone thought they could make me mess up lylo (i've gotten xylo wrong .... exactly once)
and it kinda just felt like someone was trying to make me overthink things

Too many townread you, it was objectively bad play. That power should have gone to me, Kirby, or maybe sheep every time there.

Sheep? Are you trolling us here?

[Mephistophanes 39]

yeah exactly

also idk when they decided to give this to me or if scum!nsg would have been active in the scum pt even, but i don't think scum!nsg like ever chooses to give this to me in like a bilion years

she also repped out fairly early on so this observation is fairly moot

also i the meph/mastina interactions day1 feel kinda anti-partner-y tbh

(i'm kinda thinking aloud now)

Skitter=GOAT. Thank freaking God!

[Mephistophanes 39]

scum!nsg repping out that way leaves a fairly bad taste in my mouth tho

Question to everyone:

Would Mastina ever try to be intentionally scummy as town or is it more likely to be scum WIFOM?

This looks like fishing for an out and everything in the ISO come 813 on without a vote looks like distancing.

God, you are so freaking bad this game.

[Mephistophanes 39]

scum!nsg repping out that way leaves a fairly bad taste in my mouth tho

Question to everyone:

Would Mastina ever try to be intentionally scummy as town or is it more likely to be scum WIFOM?

This looks like fishing for an out and everything in the ISO come 813 on without a vote looks like distancing.

God, you are so freaking bad this game.

Slaxx. Skitter is apparently the only one using their brain, here.