Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[mbaki]

Close to nonexistent, because I really doubt scum would kill him even being widely townread if all 5 of his scumreads were town.

[mbaki]

I think one of the VT claims is scum (Kmd or DDL), and the other is a PR though they may have claimed their real PR.

Creature probably still town?

So in Varsoon, Suka, Oka.

There is normally 1-2 strong PRs in a game with a traitor, so this would imply Suka is town because really there are barely any PRs at all. Varsoon could possibly be a scum UB, but I think Oka is more likely.

Follower and Voyeur are both kinda weak, and then the UB to recover one of them plus a commuter. Hm.

I really think you guys need to claim modifiers for setup spec to work. Otherwise, though, I'm sitting at a DDL and Oka solve, and Kmd as scum over DDL or Varsoon / Suka as scum over Oka if it comes to that.

[OkaPoka]

It's why I scumread the 1-shot Neopolitan claim.
The interactions both the '1-shot' and 'Neopolitan' parts have with Universal Backup are so wonky, I didn't think it'd be a likely role to have.

Okay then why did you set elsewhere for the majority of the day, only to swing back to BEF near the end and then vote elsewhere after hammer?

VOTE: OkaPoka


FINALLY
SUPPORT FOR A WAGON I CAN DO

indicates that you didn't support a BEF wagon at all, even post 1-shot neo claim that happened here:

It's basically inevitable now...

1-shot Neapolitan.
No, I haven't used my ability yet was going to save it as long as possible or when the number of players was smaller so I could sort my result better.

I'm iffy on it.
Haven't loved the slot, but I'd rather lynch elsewhere.

Oh and this?

Not really much, I guess.
I just get worse vibes from Oka and DDL.
The way they are present and how they interact with the game
It bothers me
I can't really articulate it

Did you really scumread that claim?

[OkaPoka]

Varsoon, why would you want Creature to claim before you? Wouldn't you want to get claims from others who may have visited Creature, not from Creature himself?

Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.

In what world would you voyeuring creature ever allow you to catch creature lying?

[OkaPoka]

I'm Town Universal Backup.
I inherited Nero's Town Voyeur role and used it on Creature on N3.

I'll hold my result until after everyone else has claimed.

Main reason I played very cautiously early on was because I didn't want to be killed but still wanted to be suspected enough to be kept around for a lynch.
I was hoping to get something good like cop but eeeh.

What?

Spiderverse was really good, probably one of my favorite animated movies ever made.

Also, some shit happened that's really soured me on playing mafia so I might just replace out here since I'm having trouble keeping up. :/

Wasn't this why you were playing "cautiously" ?

All the other games I was in have ended so now I'll probably be more present here.
Maybe.
Sorry for low-efforting this.

Or this?

[OkaPoka]

Varsoon, why would you want Creature to claim before you? Wouldn't you want to get claims from others who may have visited Creature, not from Creature himself?

Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.

Alternatively: having literally anyone else instead of creature claiming before you would be better if you were voyeur than having creature claim before you.

Literally anyone else is better.

Even one person, higher chance of catching a lie.

[Varsoon]

@OkaPoka: If creature were to claim something that'd mess with results, like ascetic or commuter. I also wanted to claim LAST with Creature right before me so that EVERYONE would have their claimed results (if any, I figured there'd be at least 1 more because UNIVERSAL BACKUP) and then Creature could claim/manufacture a claim based on what was claimed, then I could slam him if it was out of what I had info about. All in all, not all that likely to catch scum (requires them lying in a specific way) but it's better than nothing.

It's annoying that you pushed me to claim earlier than last.

mbaki's latest post makes sense but also gives me real harsh vibes if scum's mbaki/creature, which is an arrangement that I feel makes some degree of sense.

P-EDIT:
@Oka: It's almost like I leveraged other actual reasons for both my absence and major return to the game in order to excuse the role-related reasons and look more natural so that I'd survive to this point and have maximum role-related info.

[Varsoon]

Wow it's like you're realizing now how shitty it was for you to insist I claim next
Surprise
It was shitty!

[OkaPoka]

I've got info that may or may not expose if someone is lying, so I should probably go last or near-last.

Here you even state your goal is to try and catch a lying pr in vague ways.

Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.

But then here there is a bit of contradiction with your claim and supposed targets isn't there?

You were lying? lmao.
Oh I see, this is my fault. When your claim and play makes no sense. This is a BEF level claim right here.

[OkaPoka]

can I have everyone take a moment to check varsoon's iso and see what I see?
Thanks!

[Varsoon]

I don't see how it doesn't make sense.
I have a role where I visited Creature, which has functionality based on Creature's role/action followed by the actions others took.
I specifically wanted to claim last.
You're the one that pushed otherwise.
I have a role that is only good late-game because I have to have a night to inherit another role if one even flips.
I specifically played in a way that would maximize my survivability so that I could maximize the use of my role.

I also consistently opposed lynches on town, for what it's worth.

[OkaPoka]

So you were planning for the 1% scenario? Ok whatever, everyone else can be the judge here because I really don't think I need to argue this point anymore

please, everyone look at varsoon's iso. Look at what he has actually done this game. Thanks.

[Varsoon]

I was PLANNING on CLAIMING LAST and either someone MIGHT LIE about visiting creature or creature MIGHT LIE about not being able to be visited.
It's literally the best possible play for my role, from my perspective.
You shit that up. You should take responsibility. The fact you're still pushing me post-claim legitimately bothers me because you're either willing to compromise our chances at victory or you're scum here and I really don't want to do what I usually do, which is get really fucking pissed off, OMGUS you, and be wrong.

[mbaki]

Thought about it. I think Suka has to be town for balance purposes.

[Varsoon]

I think Suka's definitely town and one of Creature / Oka are scum based on claim/play.

[mbaki]

{DDL, Kmd}
{Oka, Creature, Varsoon}

which bracket is better to resolve first? I don't think Creature is scum

[mbaki]

I want all of you to claim modifiers too. Creature, were you commuting when Varsoon targeted you?

[Varsoon]

I think it's much more likely one (if not both) in Creature / Oka

[OkaPoka]

I think its one in {varsoon}

and one in {everyone else except me}

Just my 2 cents though

[mbaki]

Scum definitely does not have both an Ascetic and Commuter, they're both almost the same role and serve the same purpose utility wise.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, s'why I think scum's one or the other.
It'd also be a cute fit with the scum rolecop traitor.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Creature

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