Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[OkaPoka]

Varsoon would you play like this if you didn't have outside circumstances?

Would you play like this if you we're vt with these outside circumstances and not a PR? Be honest

[Varsoon]

His play, outside of the claim, felt like play more likely to come from town than scum.

[Varsoon]

If I didn't have the outside circumstances, I still would've been a less present early on, but I'd have paid more attention and been more informed to take charge right now. I also probably would've put my foot down and absolutely claimed last instead of bending to people like you.

If I was VT, I'd be much more active and vocal out the gate. I would've probably tunneled out on you or DDL D1.

[Kmd4390]

I think Suka's definitely town and one of Creature / Oka are scum based on claim/play.

He said this after me. I am on mobile and don't care enough to find your comment.

Who's my partner?

Go back one more page and his posting shows he believes suka's claim. Not sure on a partner. You haven't flipped scum. I could still be wrong. Drdoolittle or varsooon would be my next pick but I haven't checked associatives to see if they make sense with you or not. Off the top of my head drdoolittle probably doesn't though. Why do you say you would never kill Dann? And even if that's the case why should we trust that your buddy wouldn't do it anyway?

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Varsoon's page 94 kind of has me coming around to the idea of him being scum too actually. That doesn't sound like town in crunch time. The whole being done with this game and not giving a shit thing. We aren't in a position to have that mentality. Drdoolittle's 2363 is just as bad though. I guess not necessarily scummy, just not a game winning mentality. You can't be picking who you are willing to lose to. The goal is to lynched scum and win.

[mbaki]

His entire ISO is defending me every time he mentions me, he was the person I was mainly speaking to, and his entrance post was a major defense of me as well. His reads were also no better than anybody else (he pushed Fish and supported Vork lynch enough), and people including Fish in twilight were scumreading him so it wasn't like he was unlynchable. Killing him would be ludicrous play for any team with scum!mbaki.

I'm not scum, and if you're town I'm disappointed you're voting me with this little engagement. Also, funny note that Varsoon and DDL called my anger / apathy fake and now you're calling them out for similar.

[Varsoon]

Homedog, literally no one gives a shit what I have to say and no one has listened to me all game
So, yeah, if being like "Fuck this" at crunch time isn't a position to have, whatever.
I tried.
Ya'll just didn't ever give a damn about me trying.

[Kmd4390]

Is it bad that those two posts make me wonder if varsoon is more likely scum than mbaki?

Unvote

I need to think

[Varsoon]

See, that's the kinda shit that makes me not really care.

[mbaki]

Which two posts?

[Kmd4390]

2379 and 2380

[mbaki]

Ah.

What do you think of the Creature / Oka dichotomy? You've played a lot of mafia, do you think both of those roles have a reasonable possibility of being town? For Varsoon to be scum they kind of have to be, unless all 3 of you / DDL / myself are town, which I find very unlikely.

[Kmd4390]

Not sure. I'm not much of a setup spec guy. I've town read both creature and oka's day play though.

[mbaki]

I'm in a similar boat, Varsoon / DDL is an odd hypothetical solve though with Varsoon's push on DDL day 1. Granted, it was relatively absent.

[OkaPoka]

Homedog, literally no one gives a shit what I have to say and no one has listened to me all game
So, yeah, if being like "Fuck this" at crunch time isn't a position to have, whatever.
I tried.
Ya'll just didn't ever give a damn about me trying.

you haven't put the effort to case someone properly so nobody is going to understand why you think the way you think and thus nobody is going to care what you say

now that you do care, what specifically about creature's play do you find scummy?

[DrDolittle]

I guess I'll just claim. I'm a town [redacted] follower. I redacted part of my role because it's really best if I don't claim it.

My three targets are still alive. One of them was Varsoon. He should claim after me.

I'd also like to see a claim from Oka for reasons I'll reveal after he claims.

I'll keep my third target secret for the moment until everyone else claims.

Oh, my result was nothing.
No one visited Creature.

To be more specific, there were no actions performed on Creature.

Hmm, okay.

These are my results:

N1 - Varsoon - no action (consistent with claim)
N2 - mbaki - towny action, no need to claim
N3 - kmd - towny action, no need to claim

I lied about visiting Oka because I wanted Oka telling the truth about his role. I'm thinking it's scum because ascetic functions almost like a ninja in this context.

@ Oka see this sequence. Suppose Varsoon was not backup, and lied about visiting and getting no action on creature. Then if Suka's n3 investigation was actually on creature, OR if suka's n3 action is on varsoon, then his claim is immediately poked through. This seems to me like a smoking gun varsoon is town.

[OkaPoka]

Ok but when would suka follow creature?

[DrDolittle]

if you have complete apathy at least vote for the person who's been making this game an awful experience

Fuck you for this being your tactic. Scummy as fuck, and I'm not talking about in game.

here's the deal. I'll take the L if scum is in {oka, kmd, varsoon, suka, creature}
But I don't want to lost to mbaki and neither should any of you. + the guy is scummy as fuck.

Like, this is slimy as shit.

im playing to my wincon which is to get you lynched given the circumstance (apathy) of the game.
im not violating any rules.
im not attacking you personally.

@mod correct me if im wrong here

meanwhile you are calling me slimy irl. that's not cool?

[DrDolittle]

Ok but when would suka follow creature?

im confused? Suka didnt reveal her n3 action. so it could be on creature?

[OkaPoka]

y would suka follow a townread

[DrDolittle]

there's a chance that could happen right?

[OkaPoka]

sure

[DrDolittle]

all im saying is varsoon's claim is consistent with what is observed
and as scum it doesnt really make sense to make that claim when there are safer options like commuter

[OkaPoka]

he opened the day with i can catch someone with a lie so we should mass claim

why would he claim commuter

even with this no action performed on creature we are bordering on ???

he had to claim something that did something

its not consistent, you can check my iso for my thoughts

[DrDolittle]

yeah but if hes not universal backup, why would he even start off with i can catch someone with a lie?

[OkaPoka]

to possibly out prs and maybe get a strong pr lynched?

i dont see how his claim would catch anyone's lies esp with his compromising mandate being creature goes before