Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

VC 4.9

votes

[2] Varsoon

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OkaPoka 2112, Creature 2523

[1] DrDolittle

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mbaki 2183

[1] mbaki

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DrDolittle 2273

[1] Creature

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Varsoon 2371

[1] OkaPoka

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Moongrass 2507

[2] Not Voting

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Kmd4390 2381

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

The Day 4 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-20 04:15:59)

Mod Notes

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[Creature]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

No. Infact, he has the opposite scum meta. Creature applying his own scum meta to read a player he isn't very familar with is dubious at best. Interesting.

I just in general find it hard for scum to get 450 posts at this point.

[Creature]

unless you're Nancy Drew 39 or MathBlade.

[Moongrass]

Because I need to know what I'm working with.

Only scum would need to know who they're up against at this point.

[Creature]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

I like to think I haven't been beaten by scum at postcount at 400 and half something posts.

I have posted more than that and won as scum. Same thing goes for many players, such as RC (who has definitely beat you as scum), Mathblade, etc. These players all post about equal as town and scum.

These players are all next level scum and I can't find a correct way to read them.

[Creature]

actually now I think you're one of them.

[OkaPoka]

My case on Varsoon does not come down to he's trying to out the prs so it's scum. There is more stuff in there, I think I was pretty clear when I said he's trying to out the prs as supporting evidence but the main reason is his low activity and bad responses to questions. In fact I think that part of my case is the least important part?

I don't see how mbaki is an ideal scum push today. Perhaps DDL. I guess varsoon, but you then again he's scummy so yeah.

DDL and mbaki 1v1 is not nuanced or solv-y. In fact its the opposite. Maybe it started out ok but they ended up slinging mud at each other. I don't get the genuine impression at all.

[Creature]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

I like to think I haven't been beaten by scum at postcount at 400 and half something posts.

I have posted more than that and won as scum. Same thing goes for many players, such as RC (who has definitely beat you as scum), Mathblade, etc. These players all post about equal as town and scum.

These players are all next level scum and I can't find a correct way to read them.

but I don't think Oka is one of these players.

[Moongrass]

unless you're Nancy Drew 39 or MathBlade.

Creature, a precursory skim of Oka's meta should tell you that Oka has very active scum meta.

[Creature]

unless you're Nancy Drew 39 or MathBlade.

Creature, a precursory skim of Oka's meta should tell you that Oka has very active scum meta.

I'm checking his history rn.

[OkaPoka]

You are going to just sit on me this entire day aren't you?

[Creature]

You are going to just sit on me this entire day aren't you?

Yes, you're a nice chair.

[OkaPoka]

I mean at least sit down and read my iso instead of light skim

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon: I'm sorry if you've said already, but could you rank the order of your reads? I would like to brainstorm with you.

I don't even remember everyone in the game.
If I had to order it off of what I can recall right now it'd be:
TOWN:
You
KMD
DDL
Mbaki
Oka
Creature
:SCUM

Though DDL, Mbaki, and Oka are all kinda on the same line.
I think I proposed a pool earlier?
Regardless

Yeah

[Creature]

I mean at least sit down and read my iso instead of light skim

I wouldn't read 450+ posts.

[OkaPoka]

Moongrass, explain why Varsoon is town?

[Creature]

@Varsoon: I'm sorry if you've said already, but could you rank the order of your reads? I would like to brainstorm with you.

I don't even remember everyone in the game.
If I had to order it off of what I can recall right now it'd be:
TOWN:
You
KMD
DDL
Mbaki
Oka
Creature
:SCUM

Though DDL, Mbaki, and Oka are all kinda on the same line.
I think I proposed a pool earlier?
Regardless

Yeah

Why is Kmd town?

[Moongrass]

My case on Varsoon does not come down to he's trying to out the prs so it's scum. There is more stuff in there, I think I was pretty clear when I said he's trying to out the prs as supporting evidence but the main reason is his low activity and bad responses to questions. In fact I think that part of my case is the least important part?

I don't see how mbaki is an ideal scum push today. Perhaps DDL. I guess varsoon, but you then again he's scummy so yeah.

DDL and mbaki 1v1 is not nuanced or solv-y. In fact its the opposite. Maybe it started out ok but they ended up slinging mud at each other. I don't get the genuine impression at all.

Thank you. Could you point out where Varsoon has made scummy responses?

[Moongrass]

I mean at least sit down and read my iso instead of light skim

I may get to that point, but for now I'm happy interacting with you as it's only making my read stronger.

[Creature]

I'm actually more inclined to listen to you about OkaPoka.

[mbaki]

@Varsoon: I'm sorry if you've said already, but could you rank the order of your reads? I would like to brainstorm with you.

I don't even remember everyone in the game.
If I had to order it off of what I can recall right now it'd be:
TOWN:
You
KMD
DDL
Mbaki
Oka
Creature
:SCUM

Though DDL, Mbaki, and Oka are all kinda on the same line.
I think I proposed a pool earlier?
Regardless

Yeah

Kmd is that strong of a townread?

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler: here are some posts varsoon made today that i dont like

Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.

Creature always goes before me, no matter what.

I'm Town Universal Backup.
I inherited Nero's Town Voyeur role and used it on Creature on N3.

I'll hold my result until after everyone else has claimed.

Main reason I played very cautiously early on was because I didn't want to be killed but still wanted to be suspected enough to be kept around for a lynch.
I was hoping to get something good like cop but eeeh.

Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.

Oh, my result was nothing.
No one visited Creature.

To be more specific, there were no actions performed on Creature.

It's why I scumread the 1-shot Neopolitan claim.
The interactions both the '1-shot' and 'Neopolitan' parts have with Universal Backup are so wonky, I didn't think it'd be a likely role to have.

You don't think DDL would see me as a threat worth removing if he was scum and I was town?
Hm.

@OkaPoka: If creature were to claim something that'd mess with results, like ascetic or commuter. I also wanted to claim LAST with Creature right before me so that EVERYONE would have their claimed results (if any, I figured there'd be at least 1 more because UNIVERSAL BACKUP) and then Creature could claim/manufacture a claim based on what was claimed, then I could slam him if it was out of what I had info about. All in all, not all that likely to catch scum (requires them lying in a specific way) but it's better than nothing.

It's annoying that you pushed me to claim earlier than last.

mbaki's latest post makes sense but also gives me real harsh vibes if scum's mbaki/creature, which is an arrangement that I feel makes some degree of sense.

P-EDIT:
@Oka: It's almost like I leveraged other actual reasons for both my absence and major return to the game in order to excuse the role-related reasons and look more natural so that I'd survive to this point and have maximum role-related info.

Wow it's like you're realizing now how shitty it was for you to insist I claim next
Surprise
It was shitty!

I don't see how it doesn't make sense.
I have a role where I visited Creature, which has functionality based on Creature's role/action followed by the actions others took.
I specifically wanted to claim last.
You're the one that pushed otherwise.
I have a role that is only good late-game because I have to have a night to inherit another role if one even flips.
I specifically played in a way that would maximize my survivability so that I could maximize the use of my role.

I also consistently opposed lynches on town, for what it's worth.

I was PLANNING on CLAIMING LAST and either someone MIGHT LIE about visiting creature or creature MIGHT LIE about not being able to be visited.
It's literally the best possible play for my role, from my perspective.
You shit that up. You should take responsibility. The fact you're still pushing me post-claim legitimately bothers me because you're either willing to compromise our chances at victory or you're scum here and I really don't want to do what I usually do, which is get really fucking pissed off, OMGUS you, and be wrong.

I still really think it's creature, but I'm also kinda done playing this game.

VOTE: mbaki

VOTE: DDL

Like literally I could give less of a shit how this goes

ok be honest with me here

you planned to do nothing this game because u were a universal backup?

Until I inherited something and got to use it, yeah.
I was also having trouble engaging with this game since I was in, like, 4 others at the same time
While working full time
While sicker than I've been all year
While catching a signup ban over something that's really made me not want to play mafia
But yeah if you wanna scumread me for it like Oka, be my guest?

we agree on that suka's town.

so the persons that remain is {me, mbaki, kmd, creature}

I know I'm town (take my word on this, or whatever see my flip and decide tomorrow). I townread kmd right now. So that leaves mbaki and creature.

I also think it's probably Mbaki Creature if you flip town.

VOTE: Creature

Can we just
Please
Lynch Creature?

@Oka: It's almost as if I literally wrote that people should be judged on their play rather than their claim
And holy shit it turned out I was RIGHT for a THIRD TIME and, when it comes to BEF, that I was RIGHT in TWO WAYS--both that the claim was false and that his play was town play
But no
Fuck me
Don't listen to me

P-EDIT:
Cool your jets, mbaki

[mbaki]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

I like to think I haven't been beaten by scum at postcount at 400 and half something posts.

I have posted more than that and won as scum. Same thing goes for many players, such as RC (who has definitely beat you as scum), Mathblade, etc. These players all post about equal as town and scum.

These players are all next level scum and I can't find a correct way to read them.

Okay, but Oka apparently posts more as scum than town (-Moongrass, could use sources). Why would you assume posting less as scum is the default, and not just a playstyle thing? Because in my experience, more often than not, posting frequency is just a playstyle issue.

[Creature]

Varsoon insisting I gotta go first is like wtf, even as scum tbh.

[mbaki]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

No. Infact, he has the opposite scum meta. Creature applying his own scum meta to read a player he isn't very familar with is dubious at best. Interesting.

I don't think you answered my questions from the last page, by the way.