Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

VC 4.10

votes

[2] Varsoon

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OkaPoka 2112, Creature 2523

[2] OkaPoka

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Moongrass 2507, Varsoon 2585

[1] DrDolittle

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mbaki 2183

[1] mbaki

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DrDolittle 2273

[2] Not Voting

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Kmd4390 2381

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

The Day 4 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-20 04:15:59)

Mod Notes

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The previous votecount has been filled in.

[mbaki]

YEAH FUCK IT YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW, DICKWEED

VOTE: Oka Pooka

So you agree with me Oka's supertunnel on you is odd? Haha.

[OkaPoka]

mbaki pls

vote varsoon

this is fake rage

fake

[mbaki]

here's the great thing tho

if you think im town you shouldn't be voting me

if you think im scum, you shouldn't be this pissed off at me

therefore this rage is kinda manufactured? town rage usually comes from wow this town sucks i hate all of you

This definitely isn't true. I am pissed at DDL and I think he is scum, and this is not a rare thing either. Your read on someone generally doesn't affect how you emotionally respond to their posting, at least in my experience with myself and others.

[mbaki]

mbaki pls

vote varsoon

this is fake rage

fake

I have thought about it. But, I have also thought about you!scum. If DDL is scum, Varsoon could be a partner sure but his bus makes it unlikely.

[OkaPoka]

ok but there is a difference of you being pissed at someone because of how they are playing vs throwing a tantrum out of rage

like sure i get pissed at people i scumread but usually i get pissed when people don't listen to me, in the end if they are scum then its respectable, the people i get pissed at are myself for failing or town for not listening

but throwing a tantrum ?

nah man

u dont throw a tantrum at someone u scumread

[Moongrass]

Don't waste time defending your slot please, nobody is lynching you this game.

Who's the second scum if you think one is Oka? And I know this was asked, but how much of the game have you read and do you intend on reading more?

Firstly, I was answering pseudo-valid questions, not defending myself.

I'm still trying to work out who the second scum is, however Creature does seem to have a point about a possible Oka/Varsoon team due to the amount of what appears to be flailing going on ITT.

I have skimmed enough to be confident in my scumread on Oka. If I have to give you a hard number I'd say I've skimmed 10% of this game. As I've alluded to, I do intend to read more, but for now I'm finding a lot of potentially useful information in the current activity. I have yet to do any real VCA which is the next thing I'd look into.

[mbaki]

ok but there is a difference of you being pissed at someone because of how they are playing vs throwing a tantrum out of rage

like sure i get pissed at people i scumread but usually i get pissed when people don't listen to me, in the end if they are scum then its respectable, the people i get pissed at are myself for failing or town for not listening

but throwing a tantrum ?

nah man

u dont throw a tantrum at someone u scumread

Varsoon scumread Creature though, not you. At least before.

[OkaPoka]

Well his recent readslist makes it clear that I'm in his scum pool.

And if he thinks im town he shouldn't be voting me.

[OkaPoka]

YEAH FUCK IT YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW, DICKWEED

VOTE: Oka Pooka

when does town say this

[mbaki]

Don't waste time defending your slot please, nobody is lynching you this game.

Who's the second scum if you think one is Oka? And I know this was asked, but how much of the game have you read and do you intend on reading more?

Firstly, I was answering pseudo-valid questions, not defending myself.

I'm still trying to work out who the second scum is, however Creature does seem to have a point about a possible Oka/Varsoon team due to the amount of what appears to be flailing going on ITT.

I have skimmed enough to be confident in my scumread on Oka. If I have to give you a hard number I'd say I've skimmed 10% of this game. As I've alluded to, I do intend to read more, but for now I'm finding a lot of potentially useful information in the current activity. I have yet to do any real VCA which is the next thing I'd look into.

I am probably going to be directing most of my content at you now, call it buddying if you want but you're the only confident town read I have and I have hashed everything out with the others already.

A lot of this game is going to hinge on how you choose to form reads aside from Oka!scum here, so yes that's a lot of pressure but you are essentially going to decide the direction.

I want to reiterate I think one scum is in the claims, between Varsoon and Creature and Oka, at least one. Perhaps UB could be to inherit the Rolecop when the traitor dies? But Commuter and Ascetic both being town is a weird combo. With regards to the commuter claim, that is slightly town indicative because only scum has killing power this game, but only slightly.

I don't know what to make of Varsoon's tunnel on Creature, or it breaking.

I scumread Kmd based on night kills and play to a degree, but DDL is significantly more scummy to me and I don't think both are scum which indicates Kmd is town. Additionally, Kmd's play today could be seen as town with how he backed off of me to reevaluate. This could use input too.

These are the things I personally would like to see some insight to from your re-read, because I have had awful reads this game and doubt town can get a win here.

[mbaki]

YEAH FUCK IT YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW, DICKWEED

VOTE: Oka Pooka

when does town say this

I don't think this is AI.

[OkaPoka]

maybe im unique but afaik my tantrums as town usually come from "omg this guy is town and so garbage" or "this guy is so scum why are all you fucks not listening to me" hopefully those days are behind me but ive done it before

my tantrums are scum are more geared as "shut up scum shut up scum shut up scum i hate you you suck me mad me rage me make excuse not to play"

[Moongrass]

@Mbaki: could you please explain the DDL scum situation a little better so I can narrow my search?

[OkaPoka]

why is varsoon townnnnn?

[Moongrass]

wow mbaki wagon so good everyone should join me imo

wow im always serious imo

mbaki confirmed scum

I'm quite concerned that these early posts from the scum traitor are signalling to the scum team, assuming they were aware they had a traitor.

Even more concerning is the traitor mis-kill for scum, which implies that the team were not aware of the traitor's existence.

Spoiler:

i'd lynch like 5 other people before mbaki at this point, even though i think Nero is right his play isn't great i don't think the bar is very high right now

mbaki, why don't you townread me despite having the same reaction to Nero's posting?

zzzzzzz

btw nero is my top townread

Don't you have to read the game to get a vibe?

I asked you a question first.

Not a question that has any value.

i'd lynch like 5 other people before mbaki at this point, even though i think Nero is right his play isn't great i don't think the bar is very high right now

Who are these 5 mystery scummers?

yyotta
DDL
brighteyedfish
leodanny
vorkuta

if we're lynching for 'fluff content' or lack of content i think these are all more likely to flip scum than mbaki

This progression on mbaki makes no sense, so it's logical to conclude that the initial posts from rb about mbaki being "confirmed scum," were indeed signalling posts.

It also appears that rb is chainsawing against the mbaki pushes when he is stuck in a tough spot. From this point onwards, mbaki proceeds to attempt to pocket rb, unaware that he is the scum traitor.

As a brief sidenote: I believe every person that rb listed as being preferable to lynch over mbaki, is town.

Spoiler:

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i dont think u are getting it

i can do all of that

but i think it would be better if i had flips to work off of

badposting

i know we have no flips. that's why im ambivalent between the choices of BEF and DDL.

I would prefer a flip on Yyotta, but a flip is better than no flip.

I'm not going to case someone d1 because I'm not confident in any of my scumreads. The best I can offer is a strong policy choice.

why would you prefer a yyotta flip over DDL or BEF?

how does being not confident make you not able to point out the things you don't like about BEF/DDL?

Why would you be a liability to town?

stop shitposting

I don't really feel like these pushes on Oka are genuine as rb should've moved his vote or questioned him rather than chastising Oka.

I think rb's signalling, his potential PR lurking, and his weak pushes on Oka may have got him killed.

[mbaki]

@Mbaki: could you please explain the DDL scum situation a little better so I can narrow my search?

I don't get what you're asking.

[mbaki]

wow mbaki wagon so good everyone should join me imo

wow im always serious imo

mbaki confirmed scum

I'm quite concerned that these early posts from the scum traitor are signalling to the scum team, assuming they were aware they had a traitor.

Even more concerning is the traitor mis-kill for scum, which implies that the team were not aware of the traitor's existence.

Spoiler:

i'd lynch like 5 other people before mbaki at this point, even though i think Nero is right his play isn't great i don't think the bar is very high right now

mbaki, why don't you townread me despite having the same reaction to Nero's posting?

zzzzzzz

btw nero is my top townread

Don't you have to read the game to get a vibe?

I asked you a question first.

Not a question that has any value.

i'd lynch like 5 other people before mbaki at this point, even though i think Nero is right his play isn't great i don't think the bar is very high right now

Who are these 5 mystery scummers?

yyotta
DDL
brighteyedfish
leodanny
vorkuta

if we're lynching for 'fluff content' or lack of content i think these are all more likely to flip scum than mbaki

This progression on mbaki makes no sense, so it's logical to conclude that the initial posts from rb about mbaki being "confirmed scum," were indeed signalling posts.

It also appears that rb is chainsawing against the mbaki pushes when he is stuck in a tough spot. From this point onwards, mbaki proceeds to attempt to pocket rb, unaware that he is the scum traitor.

As a brief sidenote: I believe every person that rb listed as being preferable to lynch over mbaki, is town.

Spoiler:

...

i dont think u are getting it

i can do all of that

but i think it would be better if i had flips to work off of

badposting

i know we have no flips. that's why im ambivalent between the choices of BEF and DDL.

I would prefer a flip on Yyotta, but a flip is better than no flip.

I'm not going to case someone d1 because I'm not confident in any of my scumreads. The best I can offer is a strong policy choice.

why would you prefer a yyotta flip over DDL or BEF?

how does being not confident make you not able to point out the things you don't like about BEF/DDL?

Why would you be a liability to town?

stop shitposting

I don't really feel like these pushes on Oka are genuine as rb should've moved his vote or questioned him rather than chastising Oka.

I think rb's signalling, his potential PR lurking, and his weak pushes on Oka may have got him killed.

Sigh, this shit again. This was a big discussion on day 2. Also relevant for part of why DDL is scum, so yes, you'll enjoy reading day 2.

[mbaki]

Actually read the rest of your post: I was never "in a tough spot" day 1, and there is no progression from rb there... he always townread me.

[mbaki]

Even more concerning is the traitor mis-kill for scum, which implies that the team were not aware of the traitor's existence.

And yes, the team was aware. They have to be as per normal guidelines.

[Creature]

implies that the team were not aware of the traitor's existence.

You're contradicting mafiascum's Holy Normal Bible.

[Moongrass]

Thank you both. So, given that they did know that there was a traitor, then it justifies the argument that rb was signalling as he would think that his team were looking out for him. I think this heavily implicates you, mbaki.

[OkaPoka]

I've walked this road before...

Moongrass why is varsoon town?

[Varsoon]

Thank you both. So, given that they did know that there was a traitor, then it justifies the argument that rb was signalling as he would think that his team were looking out for him. I think this heavily implicates you, mbaki.

Apologies for getting pissed earlier--I'd follow you on Mbaki, tbh.
We should have 1 day of leeway. Chances are you die tonight, so, really
I'm good with whatever.

UNVOTE:

[Creature]

Follower + Voyeur + Universal Backup + Ascetic + 2-shot Commuter vs Traitor Rolecop

where it's unlikely to get any significant result

Genius setup