Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Mbaki

I still think it's one of Creature/Oka with my chips on Creature but I'll follow.

Are you scumreading them because they voted you, or?

Based on claims, where the votes were earlier today (really do look at today's votecounts, it's wild, there's no consolidation and several points where someone was at L-2 or L-1), and play.

[northsidegal]

VC 4.11

votes

[3] mbaki

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DrDolittle 2273, Moongrass 2634, Varsoon 2635

[2] Varsoon

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OkaPoka 2112, Creature 2523

[1] DrDolittle

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mbaki 2183

[2] Not Voting

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Kmd4390 2381

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

The Day 4 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-20 04:15:59)

Mod Notes

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[mbaki]

Villa: Varsoon, Kmd4390, Creature
Limbo: DrDolittle
Wolf: mbaki, OkaPoka

DrDoLittle subs into scum, if either of the bottom two flip town.

Fun fact: scum players familiar with Creature's meta on MS would never leave him alive.

I think that's all I'll be reading for now, since I'm pretty happy with these reads.

You can see that I do know Creature's meta in my iso, and according to you scum never leave him alive.

Fun fact: your surface level reads are throwing the game.

[Varsoon]

Why are you so defensive, Mbaki?
If you're town, you flip green, we get one more day to trounce scum, ez pz
It's hardly a throw since we're not in LYLO

[mbaki]

I'm pissed because I thought we were boned, then I got a confident scum read on DDL, and he was in all odds going to be lynched today, then Suka subbed and now we probably lose. Nobody cares that none of the night kills make any sense from my POV as they were all people I was working with (or "working" with if you think I'm scum), when there was other options available. I guess you could argue Nero was the only real option there, but rb and Dann definitely weren't. Nobody cares that rb was killed for a reason and had to have had at least 1 read on a scum buddy, and DDL is his last scum read alive. Nobody cares that my play bleeds town anyways.

Would you rather I stop posting? I've accepted I'm going to be the lynch, and agreed to self-vote if needed. I'm not going to stop playing.

[Varsoon]

If you could lay out things without getting frustrated, it'd help more.
I'm worried the kill spec is all WIFOM.

[mbaki]

I think Oka and DDL is the best solve I have right now, actually. Cue Oka hammering me.

[mbaki]

If you could lay out things without getting frustrated, it'd help more.
I'm worried the kill spec is all WIFOM.

I thought my frustration was fake?

Night kill spec is not WIFOM, and I hate when people brush it off as that. Killing off a player strongly defending you for the payoff of being able to say you wouldn't make that night kill is incredibly dumb. Dann, who entered the game calling my wagon the dumbest thing he's ever seen, and spent every post after that defending me when it came up, Dann, who was scum read by a good amount of players, including a townie in twilight, Dann, who didn't even have any god damn confident scum reads, is not a person a team with mbaki ever kills. rb, who had at least 4 incorrect scum reads of 5 (and DDL was not high up), this kill is more possible as he was the most town read slot but I still doubt its likely. Nero, who

also

had me as one of his only town reads, the other night kill. This is all while I was getting flak from other slots. You are arguing I killed the 3 players who probably town read me the strongest out of everybody in the game for WIFOM. I know you've played long enough to know NKA can be and is valid.

I have talked about why DDL's scum, but nobody cares to go back and ISO me. I have talked about all of my reads because that's the kind of player I am, and I'm the one who originally said there has to be a scum in the claims and the other is probably a VT.

What do you

want

me to lay out? I've laid out everything there is to, I think. Moongrass asking me some generic bullshit "case DDL" when I've already posted on it and then replied to me with "lol to each their own" when I told him to ISO me is not wanting me to lay things out for the purpose of analysis, its just patronizing.

[Varsoon]

You should just present everything you understand to be true.
I think it could be DDL here, too. I don't know. I feel as though, if you were scum with Creature, as I've proposed before, it really behooves you to keep me around and lock into saying it's DDL/Oka as scum. Does that make sense?

[Varsoon]

It puts me in an awkward situation because the scum really is either Mbaki + Creature or Oka + DLL with KMD in either of those pools if KMD is scum.
That's also why I think going Creature then Oka nets us at least one scum and highly tilts who the last is.

[OkaPoka]

Mbaki, are you even considering varsoon scum seriously?

[OkaPoka]

Moongrass I need you to elaborate on varsoon town because you are basically conf town and either I'm wrong or you are wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm right sooo

[mbaki]

Mbaki, are you even considering varsoon scum seriously?

I considered and am considering it. I don't think he is partners with DDL, and I don't think town power is enough if he's scum, and I don't think both you and Creature are likely to be town.

[Varsoon]

You're wrong, Oka.
It really troubles me that you're chiefly concerned with just lynching me instead of trying to figure out who the last 2 scum are.

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE:

Don't know if I'm currently voting or anything but I'd like to see what moongrass says.

I wish DDL, KMD, and Creature were more present.

[OkaPoka]

Well I've made a post where I was considering other buddies but ok

[mbaki]

You should just present everything you understand to be true.
I think it could be DDL here, too. I don't know. I feel as though, if you were scum with Creature, as I've proposed before, it really behooves you to keep me around and lock into saying it's DDL/Oka as scum. Does that make sense?

I don't get what you're asking for.

If you think I'm scum with Creature, lynch Creature here. Creature DDL is not an impossible solve. I will not be helping you unless it's a survival vote because DDL wagon doesn't come back though as I don't really think he's scum.

[Varsoon]

I'd be most comfortable with a Creature lynch still, yes.

[DrDolittle]

hi sorry just got back from a disgustingly intensive work thing. Will catch up by tomorrow

[Varsoon]

Please do. If you're town here, your absence is doing us no favors.

[Moongrass]

I'd be most comfortable with a Creature lynch still, yes.

Varsoon, it blows my mind that you think Creature is scum here. There is virtually no chance that Creature is scum, based on meta and play. He is basically an IC when it comes to late game.

I agree that there is one scum in the ascetic, and commuter claims. It is not the commuter.

I agree that there is one scum in the VTs. It is mbaki or DDL. Based on tone and play - I'm leaning mbaki.

I'm certainly not consuming any of the WIFOM mbaki is selling. I'm so sure of my townreads that there is no other solution possible except Oka and mbaki; with a slim chance of DDL.

If you would like to lynch Oka instead I could compromise by lynching there, but for the love of god, do not allow mbaki to live tomorrow.

[Varsoon]

If you're so sure of Mbaki, I'll follow you there.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Mbaki

[mbaki]

I'm going to hammer myself in 6 hours. Enjoy losing. Bye.

[Creature]

Are you RC?