Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[mbaki]

This stinks of self-preservation and distancing.

Sure, I'm trying to bus my buddy to preserve myself instead of just sticking with DDL.

You know he won't be lynched. A vote isn't enough. Tell us why we should vote Oka?

Huh? DDL has almost been lynched twice, you yourself gave intent.

What are you asking?

Is "you know he won't be lynched" not referring to Creature's hypothetical bus vote on DDL?

[Moongrass]

Is "you know he won't be lynched" not referring to Creature's hypothetical bus vote on DDL?

No, I'm referring to Oka.

[Creature]

Also, why tf would Oka fakeclaim ascetic if Suka hinted targeting Oka?

Really? Wow imo.

You're rb?

[Varsoon]

I don't think the ascetic was a fake claim
I think the town part might be but not the ascetic part.

[mbaki]

Oh.

Oka and Creature could both be a team, I guess, though an odd setup choice. But I feel like this post count is well out of Creature's scum range? He has had relatively good reads, though I believe he said himself he normally busses as scum so that would make sense.

[Creature]

This stinks of self-preservation and distancing.

Sure, I'm trying to bus my buddy to preserve myself instead of just sticking with DDL.

You know he won't be lynched. A vote isn't enough. Tell us why we should vote Oka?

Huh? DDL has almost been lynched twice, you yourself gave intent.

Thought he was talking about Oka here.

[Creature]

This stinks of self-preservation and distancing.

Sure, I'm trying to bus my buddy to preserve myself instead of just sticking with DDL.

You know he won't be lynched. A vote isn't enough.

Then how is it self-preservation if my vote won't do nothing? If it was self-preservation I would try something that may actually succeed?

You mean like not outting yourself on a mislynch wagon?

I would look way worse moving to Oka.

[Moongrass]

I don't think the ascetic was a fake claim
I think the town part might be but not the ascetic part.

Yes, that's what I meant.

Oh.

Oka and Creature could both be a team, I guess, though an odd setup choice. But I feel like this post count is well out of Creature's scum range? He has had relatively good reads, though I believe he said himself he normally busses as scum so that would make sense.

I read somewhere that the scum!creature lurking meta is getting outdated. It's why I reviewed his play. It also better explains why Creature is still alive in comparison to my 'two unaware scum' theory.

[Moongrass]

Creature's "good reads" also show a few TMI slips imo. I'll bring them up if people request it. I'm phone posting atm.

[Creature]

Creature's "good reads" also show a few TMI slips imo.

Correctly townreading someone =/= TMI

[Creature]

Man, I hate it because I've said countless times something among the lines of "I'm fine with X's lynch, but I think he/she flips town anyway" as town and they really do.

[Creature]

I read somewhere that the scum!creature lurking meta is getting outdated.

doesn't mean I got the ability to 500-post as scum easily.

[mbaki]

Creature's "good reads" also show a few TMI slips imo. I'll bring them up if people request it. I'm phone posting atm.

So you're dropping your insistence that rb crumbed to me (more likely) or DDL (less likely)?

Do you really think DDL and I could be TvT? Because man, I know confbias can affect me too, but I thought about it a long time and I still just really don't see him as town, previous posts pointing out why.

I will say Oka could technically satisfy the criteria that "rb had to be scumreading at least one scum", but again, I think scum DDL fits that bill more.

But also, now do you see why I am so frustrated with my mislynch? I would love for it to be DDL and Oka, but if it isn't, we only have room for error once and that means a loss if we use that error on me. You are now thinking scum is someone not in us 3, which means you should be able to see the problem here.

[Moongrass]

Vork flip needs to be the flip today

Are you ready for a townflip?

Why not explain why he's a town flip?

Wasn't someone complaining I was defending him the last few pages?

1373 I meant more "what if Vork is a townflip?"

because it seems like we'll start the next day from the scratch (or push another mislynch bait like mbaki through an obviously non-crumb) if Vork turns out to be town

I just pointed out what alternatively could also be partner crumb, why am I wrong?

because it comes later in the grand scheme of things.

if im traitor, im crumbing early to make first impressions.

context wise it also doesn't make as much sense to be a crumb.

No, mbaki. I still think you and DDL are SvT. I'm pushing Creature to figure out his buddy if you'll give me a hot minute. I'll review properly towards day end.

[Moongrass]

Ignore the quotes. Phone digging sucks.

[mbaki]

I thought so.

VOTE: Creature

Buddy is either Oka, or mbaki.

Congratulations Varsoon, you get the lynch you wanted.

I thought this was what you were pushing?

[Moongrass]

Yes it is what I'm pushing with, however because you keep interjecting it's obscuring my read of our interaction. Anyway I think the interaction is over now so leave any relevant questions here for me to look into while I debrief and do more digging.

[Moongrass]

@Mbaki, why do you get frustrated about being mislynched if you hate this game so much?

[mbaki]

Short answer: I am very competitive. It isn't as frustrating getting mislynched for things out of one's control such as scum faking a guilty or for traitor crumbs (as was a discussion on day 2), but it is here when I really feel you should be able to see I'm town.

And, to amend the above, I am trying to stay calm for the remainder of my game. I was hoping you would address my posts similar to how Varsoon did, but moving your vote is better than nothing. If Creature gets lynched, I agree our associations are bad and that's on me, hence why my above "interrupting" post was asking you to work through DDL and Oka because it is going to come to that in a Creature!scum world.

[Creature]

What about a Creature!town world?

[Creature]

Tomorrow is going to be basically boiled down to "should we believe there are both town commuter and town ascetic? should we trust varsoon's list? should we just lynch ddl like we were doing yesterday?"

[Moongrass]

Tomorrow is going to be basically boiled down to "should we believe there are both town commuter and town ascetic? should we trust varsoon's list? should we just lynch ddl like we were doing yesterday?"

This doesn't explain why you're voting for someone you don't believe will be lynched near deadline; especially when you were sitting on a wagon that I gave intent on.

[Creature]

Tomorrow is going to be basically boiled down to "should we believe there are both town commuter and town ascetic? should we trust varsoon's list? should we just lynch ddl like we were doing yesterday?"

This doesn't explain why you're voting for someone you don't believe will be lynched near deadline; especially when you were sitting on a wagon that I gave intent on.

Varsoon's 2nd scumread is Oka and I'm trying to articulate with him.

[Creature]

Like, he himself expressed he's not okay with a DDL lynch.

[northsidegal]

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