Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[Moongrass]

I don't think DDL is scum. Kmd is a maybe and that's why I'm willing to vote Oka because they both seem to be pushing for the loss if mbaki/DDL are the TvT.

Mbaki I don't see why you feel the need to implicate people whenever they are being suspected or you're at L-1. It's a very strange thing to do as town. You're either scum, or town who needs to be more aware of how much confusion you pump out late game.

[mbaki]

What do you mean by implicate people?

[Moongrass]

I guess I do have one more thing to add: I did not vote Creature or Varsoon today when the wagons presented themselves. Meh. I don't think that means much anyways, don't really know why I'm typing it

What is this?

[mbaki]

Oka pushed very hard for Varsoon (and Kmd shaded him), and Creature was at l-1 IIRC and pushed very hard by Varsoon. I did not take the opportunity to go for either, despite myself being the other main wagon. It doesn't mean a ton because people think me and Creature are a team though, meh.

My philosophy in mafia is you should be an open book. You call it confusion, but I call it laying out everything I'm thinking. I am well aware it can look scummy.

[Kmd4390]

Moon, that's fair. So there probably is scum in Oka/Creature then.

[Moongrass]

Why didn't you go for either of them in lieu of omgus voting DDL?

[Moongrass]

@mbaki^

@kmd: my strongest team is still oka/mbaki. We can't really go wrong either way but if you voted Oka I'd probably be less paranoid and so would town tomorrow at Lylo.

[mbaki]

Why didn't you go for either of them in lieu of omgus voting DDL?

I didn't OMGUS vote DDL. I think he is the most likely to be scum by far. Look at my perspective posts, that is the kind of case that I usually find to be consistently right. He never follows up on his scum read, never shows any introspection on his other reads. He reflectively town read me day 1 when I defended him, and that was about it.

I don't really think Kmd voting me here is town indicative either, but I can't account for that. There literally isn't room in a game like this. If Kmd is scum, then we lose, and therefore he has to be town - unless you have a better argument than wanting to mislynch myself and DDL to end the game, but that only works if myself and DDL are town which I don't think he is.

[Kmd4390]

@mbaki^

@kmd: my strongest team is still oka/mbaki. We can't really go wrong either way but if you voted Oka I'd probably be less paranoid and so would town tomorrow at Lylo.

Unvote

Lemme think.

[Kmd4390]

I'm townreading Creature.

Mbaki/Drdoolittle probably only had one scum.

I'm not entertaining the idea of moon scum.

If Varsoon has to be town, then Oka has to be scum unless I'm wrong about some of the above.

I dunno. I'm more sure of mbaki on play, but oka almost has to be scum here, right?

Ugh I hate late game lol. Decisions are hard.

[mbaki]

Wow I'm getting huge dejavu, Moongrass have you played on MU or under another name here? Your play sounds super familiar to someone I've played with before.

[Moongrass]

I still don't see scum DDL.

Yes I'm an alt. I think NSG and Oka have already figured out who I am.

[mbaki]

If you don't want to say who you are, that's fine, I'm the same. I am curious though. I don't think I'll guess it, your play and posting patterns just feel super familiar.

Can you at least respond to my DDL case? It feels lock to me.

[Moongrass]

I'd rather not spend time clogging up the thread arguing surface level scum tells. If you and DDL 1v1 tomorrow that's your prerogative.

[Creature]

I'm sorta moving back to Varsoon/mbaki scumteam.

[mbaki]

I'd rather not spend time clogging up the thread arguing surface level scum tells. If you and DDL 1v1 tomorrow that's your prerogative.

Progression is not a service level scum tell.

What do you make of Creature saying the team is myself and Varsoon, prepping for Oka's town flip in this hypothetical scum Creature scenario?

[Creature]

prepping for Oka's town flip in this hypothetical scum Creature scenario?

If I think the team is you and Varsoon, who do you think I am more likely to hammer between you and Oka?

[mbaki]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10654937 https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10655143
I very much feel like both my original case, and then his awful reply are kind of slam dunk. He didn't refute my reply.

[Creature]

Decisions are hard.

Would it be fair to leave the hammer decision to Kmd?

[Creature]

Damn, this is literally musical chairs.

[mbaki]

prepping for Oka's town flip in this hypothetical scum Creature scenario?

If I think the team is you and Varsoon, who do you think I am more likely to hammer between you and Oka?

If Oka is town and you're scum, then it doesn't matter which of us you hammer. Jokes on you because I'm not L-1.

Varsoon is town, as is Moongrass. If Varsoon is scum, its game over, because I've accepted there's little way scum gets a UB to inherit a rolecop in an already super low town power game.

[Creature]

Deadline ending when like everyone will be completely asleep doesn't help.

[Creature]

there's little way scum gets a UB

What if his UB claim is actually fake?

[mbaki]

I'm going to be drinking when I'm off work in 2 hours, so I'm probably done then.

[mbaki]

there's little way scum gets a UB

What if his UB claim is actually fake?

If he knew to fake that he inherited Nero's role, something none of us commented on, then all the power to him. It is a good fake claim if that's what it is. Not that I haven't seen plays that level before, but occam's razor / just because something is possible doesn't mean its likely / etc. Just a lot of things about his claim are believable enough that I buy it.