Newbie 1913 - game over!!

[YellowSnow]

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VOTE: brass
let's wagon the IC..

Why vote for Brass and put him at three votes (L-2) on the second page of the game? Just because he is the IC?

why not? also, the second question is meeeeeeeh..

Also, why the townlean for DoubtingThomas specifically? Do you feel he is more eager to solve the game than everyone else who has posted so far?

at that point, yes

"Let's wagon the IC" has similar meaning to "Let's lynch the IC" which implies that you want at least one more person after you to lynch the IC which would put them in L-1.

VOTE: xwing

(Also, one more question, if you think that was reachy why didn't you vote me or try to apply pressure. you've just seen something that you deem as scummy. are you going to let it get away!!)

wagoning does not equate to lynch..did i say that anywhere or are you purposely misrepping me?
i said it was reachy, i didnt say it was scummy..what kind of cases do you expect by page 2?

I find it unlikely that players would admit to liking to play scum. Being a dangerous scum player would increase the likelyhood of being lynched on that basis alone.

i think this is a case to case basis, i know people who will outright say they enjoy playing scum..but that's not alignment indicative (NAI) at all..i prefer playing VT as well..

Show me the last player in a completed game to say that.

[SaintAngelDFE]

For the record, you do not need to actually unvote. I don't know if the worst prefers that you do, but it is not a requirement

Thanks for that, I'm pretty new to this so honestly was about to do an unvote and then vote again.

[/vote]BlankVOTE: Because he's quiet, do people ever get upset and not post because they get a role they don't like?

Also on that note, especially for the more experienced players and Brass, what are your favorite roles to play?

I strongly prefer town. In this set up, I always like getting cop or Vanilla Townie the most. Though outside of this set up, I do have to admit Vigilante is fun. A town sided Night Kill is the dream

Thanks for sharing

[xwing]

sorry, i messed up the tags, redoing..

[snip]
VOTE: brass
let's wagon the IC..

Why vote for Brass and put him at three votes (L-2) on the second page of the game? Just because he is the IC?

why not? also, the second question is meeeeeeeh..

Also, why the townlean for DoubtingThomas specifically? Do you feel he is more eager to solve the game than everyone else who has posted so far?

at that point, yes

"Let's wagon the IC" has similar meaning to "Let's lynch the IC" which implies that you want at least one more person after you to lynch the IC which would put them in L-1.

VOTE: xwing

(Also, one more question, if you think that was reachy why didn't you vote me or try to apply pressure. you've just seen something that you deem as scummy. are you going to let it get away!!)

wagoning does not equate to lynch..did i say that anywhere or are you purposely misrepping me?
i said it was reachy, i didnt say it was scummy..what kind of cases do you expect by page 2?
do you think what you did was scummy?

I find it unlikely that players would admit to liking to play scum. Being a dangerous scum player would increase the likelyhood of being lynched on that basis alone.

i think this is a case to case basis, i know people who will outright say they enjoy playing scum..but that's not alignment indicative (NAI) at all..i prefer playing VT as well..

[YellowSnow]

@xwing you know what they say about opinions.

[the worst]

vote count 1.03

hearthstone1235 (1) : SaintAngelDFE
YellowSnow (1) : volxen
BLANK (0) :
DoubtingThomas (0) :
Roo (1) : brassherald
SaintAngelDFE (0) :
volxen (1) : YellowSnow
xwing (1) : hearthstone1235
brassherald (3) : DoubtingThomas, Roo, xwing

not voting: BLANK

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end automatically in (expired on 2019-01-30 14:00:00) or sooner if a lynch is achieved by majority.


mod notes:
- quack is what ducks say when they want to reserve posts for vote counts
- BLANK has until (expired on 2019-01-22 12:00:00) to post before being replaced
- xwing regular v/la over weekends
- quack

[SaintAngelDFE]

quack

Is this what we say about opinions?

[YellowSnow]

it's a placeholder so he can do his votecount.

[SaintAngelDFE]

I figured, just thought it was an amusing moment to read "quack" after what you said.

[xwing]

@xwing you know what they say about opinions.

i searched the forum but didnt have the patience to go through the search results after page 1..you dont have to believe me, but i think the other SE's/IC's can verify that some players prefer to play as scum, and will not be afraid to say so in an active game..so it's really NAI..
i mean look at it inversely..brass or me saying we prefer VT/cop/vigilante doesn't make us town this game right..

[YellowSnow]

Nope, I'm just saying I don't believe brass saying he prefers town means that much given what the expected answer is.

[brassherald]

I mean, the main thing is, if I ever say anything else, I'm also pretty much inviting people post game to post all the games I lucked out of because I rolled scum.

And by people, I mean the mod

[Tall1s]

First game, so I may need a bit of help.

[YellowSnow]

@Tall1s: Who do you think is scummy and why? Who do you think is towny?Kind of early so we know you don't have lots to go on but early feelings count too.

[YellowSnow]

If you are town you answer those questions honestly usually.

If you are scum you answer in an effort to try and get town lynched and scum not lynched, while at the same time trying to look town.

[YellowSnow]

Town tactics:
Scumhunting: Trying to figure out who the scum are through questions and reasoning.
Townhunting: Trying to figure out who the town are through questions and reasoning.
Wagoning: Voting on someone who someone else has voted on to get closer to a lynch.
Counterwagoning: Starting a new wagon different than one that's already formed.
Tunneling: Focusing on just one person to lynch and not looking at other potential scum.
Walling: Posting a very large posts with different quotes to show your logic someone is scum.

Scum tactics:
WIFOM: Wine in front of me. Asking the "what would scum do in this situation" question when scum may be dileberatly trying to avoid looking like scum.
OMGUS: Voting for someone for retalitory reasons only.
Bussing/Distancing: Attacking your scumbuddy to look town.
Whiteknighting: Praising town players to look town yourself.

There's lots of other strategies but those are some basics.

[brassherald]

An important thing to remember about the scum is that they are the informed minority here. We are a 7-2 game, where two people know everyone's alignment, and the other seven are trying to figure it out. However, those two will try to make it look like they are also trying to sort people.

There are two ideas on what to do as town. You can scumhunt, where you try to figure out who's scum from their posts, or you can townhunt to see who else is town.

I personally employ a strategy called being a paranoid idiot. Everyone starts as scum in my book, until they prove otherwise, so, I guess it is mostly a modified townhunt strategy.

And, remember, there's no "right way" to play mafia, you should just have fun.

[brassherald]

Remember, town wins are maximum fun.

[YellowSnow]

Only if you are town.

-1 BrassHerald for making presumed town statements.

[brassherald]

Only if you are town.

-1 BrassHerald for making presumed town statements.

Hi, I have no capitalization in my name, can people please get this right as I'm the only one allowed to mess with my capitalization?

[the worst]

L84Dnr replaces BLANK!

[the worst]

vote count 1.04

hearthstone1235 (1) : SaintAngelDFE
YellowSnow (1) : volxen
L84Dnr (0) :
DoubtingThomas (0) :
Roo (1) : brassherald
SaintAngelDFE (0) :
volxen (1) : YellowSnow
xwing (1) : hearthstone1235
brassherald (3) : DoubtingThomas, Roo, xwing

not voting: L84Dnr

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end automatically in (expired on 2019-01-30 14:00:00) or sooner if a lynch is achieved by majority.


mod notes:
- xwing regular v/la over weekends
- quack

[DoubtingThomas]

I think akagami has good town cred for not voting despitr having like 4 ppl vote before them and itd be easy and tempting to just rvs someone as a wolf

hey doubtingthomas, can i refer to you as DT?
i'll give a slight town lean on this slot, seems eager to solve..
dont agree with giving town cred on shanks for above..though it's very early in the game still..

Volxen. Im wondering how fast is your typing speed. It felt weird that transition from lynching the mod to starting a random vote. And it all happened in seven minutes. Why didnt you include both in same message or was that an afterthought. Or did you do that to seperate the joke from the real part. Still I find it a little fishy that that happened in seven minutes.

VOTE: volxen

hmmm..feels reachy, but meh..

VOTE: brass
let's wagon the IC..

I am referred to as DT by people familiar with me so yes

[DoubtingThomas]

I think akagami has good town cred for not voting despitr having like 4 ppl vote before them and itd be easy and tempting to just rvs someone as a wolf

Akagami wasn’t even supposed to post, since he was replaced by Roo (who did place an RVS vote). Nonetheless, why do you think Akagami’s slot deserves town credit for posting but not placing an RVS vote? Voting during the early game/RVS helps to move the game forward by generating discussion and allowing us to see how people respond to votes/pressure, and we ultimately have to lynch scum to win, so voting is a pro-town action. Just popping in to say “hi” doesn’t help to move the game forward. And why make the comment that “itd be easy and tempting to just rvs someone as a wolf”? Most people (regardless of alignment) vote for someone during RVS.

I already explained it.

He didn't vote when 4 people in front of him did.

As a wolf, your mindset naturally tends to be "I want to assimilate with the crowd (towns people who are not on your team)"

You see 4 people vote in front of you, you may

think

it's more natural to vote with them

the dude didn't

i think that comes from a townie mindset that wants to focus on themselves rather than be fake and "look" like they are townie

[DoubtingThomas]

First game, so I may need a bit of help.

nice

do you have anyt houghts on anyone that's posted?

[volxen]

I think akagami has good town cred for not voting despitr having like 4 ppl vote before them and itd be easy and tempting to just rvs someone as a wolf

Akagami wasn’t even supposed to post, since he was replaced by Roo (who did place an RVS vote). Nonetheless, why do you think Akagami’s slot deserves town credit for posting but not placing an RVS vote? Voting during the early game/RVS helps to move the game forward by generating discussion and allowing us to see how people respond to votes/pressure, and we ultimately have to lynch scum to win, so voting is a pro-town action. Just popping in to say “hi” doesn’t help to move the game forward. And why make the comment that “itd be easy and tempting to just rvs someone as a wolf”? Most people (regardless of alignment) vote for someone during RVS.

I already explained it.

He didn't vote when 4 people in front of him did.

As a wolf, your mindset naturally tends to be "I want to assimilate with the crowd (towns people who are not on your team)"

You see 4 people vote in front of you, you may

think

it's more natural to vote with them

the dude didn't

i think that comes from a townie mindset that wants to focus on themselves rather than be fake and "look" like they are townie

I just looked at Akagami’s profile, and while he has been on this site for a few months, this is actually the first game he has ever played in (though technically he wasn’t supposed to post because Roo had already replaced him). So it’s possible that he simply isn’t familiar with RVS and that’s why he made a “hi” post without voting for anyone. So I find his lack of voting during RVS to be NAI (not alignment-indicative).

I agree with you in the general sense that scum wants to blend in and try to look towny, but I don’t think that realistically translates to a lack of an RVS vote (after other people have already voted) being town-indicative just because it goes against the norm. Voting early on helps to generate discussion, which helps to move the game along faster and helps town to make a more informed lynch on day one. Not voting and just saying “hi” doesn’t advance the game, so it’s not really a pro-town action.

In any case, is it specifically the fact that he made that “hi” post without voting after five people had already voted that you find be towny? If he was the first person to post in the game, and if he had posted that same “hi” post without voting, would you still have found his lack of an RVS vote to be towny?