no deadlines mafia [game over]

[light_ganski]

Actually believe flavours town rn but xtoxm is def scum and has him pocketed, will case this one before the flip if it doesn't happen this evening but def in my first post tmrw

[light_ganski]

Sorry abt inactivity it's exam season and I've still got one to do tomorrow afternoon

[Jingle]

The additional time would cause more apathy and disengagement than it would have solved.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Finally

After this flips red sheep is next

No Purr, why aren’t you listening to me? There are certain players I’m really good at reading: Creature, sheep, Nero. Once I finally figured out how to correctly read sheep, I haven’t been wrong once.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you are trying to lynch a claimed jk who has done nothing different than she usually does
you are discrediting my ausuka push despite having no reason to townread her
you push nonsense bs like "wisdom is trying to mindfuck purr" and "wisdom is trying to intimidate me" and "wisdom is discrediting reads" none of which i am doing

plenty of reasons to scumread you, nancy. nothing ridiculous about it

No you haven’t and the “ridiculous” part is the Wagonomics’ thing. You are either scum here or once again, suck at reading me. I’m still not sure which.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what timing? you might as well say that the timing of me scumreading you is suspicious because it's January 23 today. It will have the same strength.

Explain what the connection is to the mastina wagon. What am I trying to do here? Discredit you to lessen the support for the mastina lynch? What is your point exactly?

You are trying to do the same thing Mastina is, create a distraction.

[Wisdom]

you made it sound like I scumread you only for the wagonomics thing

I point out it's not only that and your response is.. this^

[Wisdom]

im trying to do nothing. I am scumreading Ausuka since forever and I want her dead.

[Wisdom]

oh, you mean in regards to you?

no. you're being scummy and I am pointing it out.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Thread is lively tonight, great to see the market thriving.

I really could see Saudade going either way and I'm hoping that come later dayphases the push there won't be seen as a waste. I still could go either way on the slot, Dann did a lot to improve it but I could still see the slot flipping scum and I'm really hoping I didn't choke on the scum wagon there. But I honestly don't know I feel there since I have relatively mixed feelings after his replacement.

It's occurred to me that I'm busy enough lately that if I do the numbers thing again I'm never going to get a list out before this day ends. So we're doing this.

Bad investments: Flavor Leaf, Nancy Drew, Gamma Emerald

Risky investments: Ausuka, Party Boat, light_ganski, sheepsaysmeep

Mysterious investments: Kokichi Oma, Vaxkiller, Dannflor, Xtoxm, mastina, Wisdom, Purrcocet

Potential investments: Enter

"Top 4" investments: Vonflare, TheBrie, Trekkie99, singletonking

I feel like this is not where I expected to be right now but I think it's where I'm at anyway

pedit: there were a lot of posts while I was typing this but I'm just gonna leave it as is and then review the new stuff

Enter is Hebichan slot, which I hard townread. I don’t understand the top 4? Can you explain it to me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I honestly don't see Enter/Stina scumteam. The Chainsaw is too obvious. Could be either or neither, but not both.

Hebichan is another slot I’m good at reading and I see no reason to scumread that slot. Mastina is just that good at fooling people. ISO her in RC uPick game, if you don’t believe me. Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

[Wisdom]

Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

which should ring bells for you when everyone and their cat wants to lynch her here

[Nancy Drew 39]

L-4. Gamma put her to L-3 then Enter unvoted.

I'll hammer tomorrow if someone puts her in range.

I'd still prefer an actual scumread though. Like sheep, who had a crazy amount of resistance due to literally just Nancy's meta read and has high partner equity with mastina or Ausuka who has high resistance because literally no one is townreading her. :shrug:

Sheep is a common mislynch, when he’s actually scum - like in MBoS, it freaking obvious. He is town here and it frustrates me that once again, people don’t listen to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

which should ring bells for you when everyone and their cat wants to lynch her here

No because as Jingle has correctly pointed out, scum!Mastina plays to be lynched. This is to a T, virtually the exact same game as in MBoS, where as sheep OTOH, is playing extremely differently here.

[Purrcocet]

Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

which should ring bells for you when everyone and their cat wants to lynch her here

uh this lynch took a LOT of effort tbh

[Nancy Drew 39]

For all the people townreading Mastina:


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=28641


@Sheep, she was “transparently town” there too, until she flipped.

[Nancy Drew 39]

sheep feels hard pocketed more than wolf, tbh
but we can discuss tomorrow
lets enjoy this for now

Sheep’s defense of Mastina is blatantly townie, IMO.

[Xtoxm]

Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

which should ring bells for you when everyone and their cat wants to lynch her here

not true at all this lynch was WAY harder than it should have been
almost everyone not on the wagon was hard opposed to it
i think the only possible extra vte we could have got is wagon
everyone else was intent on disabling this lynch

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

So how about just use it privately

That doesn't mean discussion shouldn't be made.

Also, since Starcraft Mafia ended, I can say that was the main basis behind my the worst scumread--I

knew

he was scum that game in spite of Nancy insisting during the timeframe of this game at least that he was town there, which is why I said her ability to read him was shit; I already knew she was wrong there, so I thought she was wrong here.

I scumlocked him on D1. Wtf are you talking about? I even roleblocked him that night.

Scum!tw. Too damn bad this game just ended or maybe we could have stopped his mislynch. :/

And don't you fucking pretend that you had a correct read on him because you scumread him on D1, while townreading him for

the entire rest of the game

, up to and including

roleblocking

the only other town player alive

because

the worst asked you to

. He pocketed you hard. And I KNEW he had.

But Skitter and us had our rolechanged. How do you account for that?

BECAUSE YOU WERE MY FUCKING TARGET HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE

If you sent a rolechange to someone rn, when would they be informed of it?

You have the absolute shittiest reading comprehension I've ever seen

.

TW lynch happened at 9:29 PM, so we got our rolechange PM 3 minutes after that.

Which makes perfect sense.
Because I can change my target any time prior to the end of the phase.
Obviously, the change can't take place

until

the end of the phase. (Specifically, immediately after.)

I can submit any time prior to the lynch, and the change happens immediately after the lynch.

FL is right, you’re not mindfucking me in THIS game too. I’m on to you here.

For the record, if mastina continues quoting her own posts to comment on them, I will compromise on an investment on her.

NOW we're in business.

I am not aiming to look town; I am aiming to lynch scum. Let my actions do the speaking there

.

There we go.

My job is to hunt and lynch scum, not look town.

Looking town is what scum do; lynching scum is what town do. ~ Scum!Mastina from.BoS

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10635012

No offense but your posts are far from the clearest, most easy to understand

Except yes they are.
I am verbose SPECIFICALLY SO THAT I COMMUNICATE

MY

EXACT

MEANING.
There are NEVER two ways to interpret statements of mine. (Well, except for when I'm being a cheeky scumfuck. Or I guess when I'm town fakeclaiming/half-claiming which is the same cheekiness applied to the opposite alignment. BUT I DIGRESS.)

There is only the one.

Because there's only one interpretation of what my words mean.
Now, what that interpretation is, you can subdivide to mean a town thing or mean a scum thing, but you can never interpret it to mean one thing when it means something else.

Admittedly, I CAN misspeak.

But.
YOU.

Are literally.

YOU, not others.

YOU.

Are literally.

The ONLY player.

I have EVER encountered.

In the LAST YEAR.

Who hasn't.
Understood.

What I am saying.

So I feel damn fucking in my right to say that the problem's not on my end.

Literally every other fucking person understands; literally every other fucking person doesn't ask the questions you do, because they got it the first time.

So why don't you?

I could argue that really smart scum only sr the more mislynchable players and pocket obvtown.

What do you suppose Purrcocet's locktownread of you would be then?

She obviously does or else she wouldn’t have given me fruit N1.

The problem with Purrcocet is the following.
Follow along with this.
Okay.
So do you agree:
A town player with a fruit vendor role wants to not fruit vend to the nightkill.
You agree with that, right?

Okay, so a town player wants to not fruit vend to the nightkill.

Purrcocet sent fruit to you.
You obviously know that, right?

Okay, so Purrcocet sent fruit to you.

Purrcocet was townreading you as obvtown, right?
Okay, so Purrcocet sent fruit to you, when you were obvtown.

...Why weren't you a nightkill possibility to Purrcocet?

That

is the point I am raising. If Purrcocet thought you were obvtown, then Purrcocet as town would want to avoid fruit vending to you for fear of you eating the nightkill.

In contrast, if Purrcocet is scum who sent fruit to you, knowing who the scum are nightkilling, Purrcocet would know you weren't the one who would die, thus, Purrcocet would know you'd be alive to receive the fruit.

Sheep was your partner in that game and you voice no opinion on his play here wrt to that game.

How could I?

I.
Am.
A.
Fucking.
Replacement.

Who.
Hasn't.
Read.
The.
Game.

Is that not clear enough?

How can I voice my opinion on someone I haven't even really fucking gotten the chance to read the content on?

So of course my answer is to sheep someone who

has

--and who I trust to be

just as recently informed

. It's not like sheep and I talked at all in the scum PT, it's not like we had some sort of scum strategy we discussed; we submitted actions in there, and that was it. The only thing I have from that game is the same thing you do; his posts in the game thread itself.

Except now,

you have

more

than I do

, because you have the WHOLE of this game; I only have a PART of this game.

I dunno about you but if I replaced into a game with my former scumbuddy, the very first thing I’d do would be to ISO them, since based on that, they’d be a relatively easy sort.

Newsflash: I'm NOT you.

I

did

do something similar, but using a vastly different method.
No isos involved.
But reading your posts past my point of replacing in.
I went through a process.
"Town player I just played with--are their posts here almost identical to that towngame we just played?"
The answer was yes.
Given that, "Do I trust this player to be knowledgeable about who they are talking about?" Not for most players, but for your sheepsaysmeep read? Absolutely, yes.

I don’t understand. How are Purr and Dann remotely linked?

I have strong reasons to scumread Purrcocet; I have strong reasons to scumread Dann. However, the scumreads are mutually exclusive, because they simply don't work as scumbuddies given the myriad of interactions I've picked up across the game.

Obviously they could both be town, but that'd mean my scumread on both is wrong and I don't think it is. Well, I think one scumread is and the other isn't. The reasons they don't work as scumbuddies is basically all the stuff I've been talking about. The way votes have unfolded, the general aura of the game, they just don't work as partners but they both, separately, individually, work as scum in spite of me knowing only one of them can be.

I'm pretty clearly outside of my scum range though.

This must've happened before I replaced in because it sure as fuck isn't after I did.

First off, you are in no way fucking clear and YES, that is 100% on YOUR end. Do you really want to spend the rest of the game arguing this, because you’re not fucking changing my mind on this and ftr, I’m really getting irritated with you sniping at me, two games back to back and if you continue to do this, I will just ignore your posts, m’kay?


Wrt to Purr, you are being dense (see, I can be obnoxious too. ). Purr and me are friends and we had hoped to hydra together. You are asssuming that Purr was being strategic in a particular way. I am not remotely surprised that she gave it to me and she made 0 fuss about it either, so no I don’t view as meaning she knew I wouldn’t be the NK. Sometimes a cigar is really just a cigar, yah know.

No, it isn’t clear enough. You should 100% have ISO’d sheep. Btw, where is the town sweetheart Mastina you talked about in BoS?, because she sure as hell isn’t in THIS game, that’s for damn sure. I guess I should consider myself damn lucky you didn’t replace into Varsoon slot because no godddamned way would I want to be in a hood with someone who arrogantly talks down to people like you do.

I’ve actually felt like Mastina is hoping I kind of just trail off onto someone else.

Frankly I don't give a shit about you and I don't see why I should.

Mastina brought up that on her reads list Party Boat to Light Gandhi is pretty flexible.

A stance which has since changed and is now far more grounded and with only a small pool of four players whose positions are flexible. (Well, approximately four players, anyway.)

For instance you are a hard townread and have been since the get-go.

she’s actively choosing where she wants every player on her reads list.

No shit sherlock. That's literally the fucking point of making a readslist in the first place? It's to visualize where players stand in relationship to one another, and making active deliberate choices on where people are gives active, deliberate thoughts.

I promise (as if people believe promises) I didn't jump here just because Purr says I'm town.

But can you promise that literally any of your read changes aren't because general thread consensus was moving that way?

Purrcocet to town, Flavor Leaf to town, Xtoxm out of scum, Dannflor to town-enough, me from town to mixed, literally every single one of those changed reads is a read that is a thread consensus read.

Kinda feel like i was getting pocketed here

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

Remind me what your first post about me was?

I'm pretty sure she's ignoring my presence in the game, because I'm ignoring hers. Mastina is easiest to sort when I ignore her.

Oh I am absolutely NOT ignoring you. The polar opposite of it, in fact. Just because I'm not quoting your posts (because there's nothing in them for me to quote) doesn't mean I'm not paying attention to you.

Why do you have to be so fucking hostile and rude to people? It just makes me want to skip all of your posts.[/quote]

Does mastina want people to invest in her coin?

In post 1476, the worst wrote:
In post 1472, Nibbui wrote:
I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though
She is strangely charming
(

Btw, that's actually a weak towntell of mine. scumastina is an ass, so is anything but charming. The charm comes from me when I'm town, since I just have a way with people, I guess

.) ~ scum!Mastina from BoS

[Jingle]

Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

which should ring bells for you when everyone and their cat wants to lynch her here

not true at all this lynch was WAY harder than it should have been
almost everyone not on the wagon was hard opposed to it
i think the only possible extra vte we could have got is wagon
everyone else was intent on disabling this lynch

Narp.

I honestly don't see Enter/Stina scumteam. The Chainsaw is too obvious. Could be either or neither, but not both.

Hebichan is another slot I’m good at reading and I see no reason to scumread that slot. Mastina is just that good at fooling people. ISO her in RC uPick game, if you don’t believe me. Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

Bad example.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

which should ring bells for you when everyone and their cat wants to lynch her here

not true at all this lynch was WAY harder than it should have been
almost everyone not on the wagon was hard opposed to it
i think the only possible extra vte we could have got is wagon
everyone else was intent on disabling this lynch

Narp.

I honestly don't see Enter/Stina scumteam. The Chainsaw is too obvious. Could be either or neither, but not both.

Hebichan is another slot I’m good at reading and I see no reason to scumread that slot. Mastina is just that good at fooling people. ISO her in RC uPick game, if you don’t believe me. Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

Bad example.

Why? Everyone obvtownread her, except for her scumpal Nico, that is.

[Vaxkiller]

Are we just voting mastina in case shes scum? I don't really see how that's a great plan.

[Ausuka]

I don't think anyone said that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh, you mean in regards to you?

no. you're being scummy and I am pointing it out.

How because I disagreed with you on Mastina?

[Wisdom]

no they're just voting mastina because they don't want to lynch obvscum ausuka