Newbie 1913 - game over!!

[the worst]

vote count 1.09

hearthstone1235 (0) :
YellowSnow (1) : volxen
L84Dnr (0) :
DoubtingThomas (1) : SaintAngelDFE
Roo (1) : YellowSnow
SaintAngelDFE (3) : xwing, Roo, brassherald
volxen (2) : L84Dnr, hearthstone1235
xwing (0) :
brassherald (1) : DoubtingThomas

not voting:

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end automatically in (expired on 2019-01-30 14:00:00) or sooner if a lynch is achieved by majority.


mod notes:
- xwing regular v/la over weekends
- quack

[brassherald]

what reads do you have brass?

I feel like I just answered this one, and it seems this is the only question directed at me right now. Not too much change here.

I like XWing for town, though, independent of there being too many scumspects.

That being said, I don't see a townslip from DT, and I will also remind people town slips can be faked, if it's even there.

Also, slight IC tip in a game related post, you can highlight a portion of a post and hit the Quote button to just quote that portion of the post.

[xwing]

noted on your thoughts re the "townslip"..
im struggling a bit on the strength of my reads i guess so im trying to grasp at what i can to narrow my suspects..
im pretty sure brass and l8 are town though..
volxen *might* be town..

also brass, what if you want to quote multiple portions from singular post to put comments in between? is there no way but to quote the entire post then edit it? i usually copy-paste the whole "quote" at the start of every statement..

[volxen]

@hearth:
to backtrack means to reverse your position on someone or something, but in a scummy/unnatural way..
also brass is right, drawing associations is far too early, i just combined my two biggest scum reads to make the scum team..hence saint-yellow..

@DT: this is important!!!
scum know who their fellow scum are, and they know everyone's alignment already..
they also have a private thread where they can communicate/interact at anytime (called daychat)..
what they dont know is who the town power roles (TPRs) are..
depending on the setup we are in though, they *may* have roles to find out who the PR is (e.g. mafia rolecop)..

i think DT may be town by virtue of townslip..

...What are you talking about? There are literally no townslips in any of DT's posts. And why are you telling DT all of this? He has been on this site for over 6 months and has played in several games, including multiple newbie games. So DT is well aware of all of the things that you are telling him here.

Please elaborate, because I don't understand why you directed all of that at DT.

[brassherald]

also brass, what if you want to quote multiple portions from singular post to put comments in between? is there no way but to quote the entire post then edit it? i usually copy-paste the whole "quote" at the start of every statement..

I really have no way to make this easier. I generally just use the [/quote] command at the end and put each in a new quote tag if I want to do that, but, maybe someone who does it more often than I knows, I'll check in discord when I get home if someone knows.

[xwing]

for illustration purposes, i want to easily accomplish something like this:

what reads do you have brass?

I feel like I just answered this one, and it seems this is the only question directed at me right now. Not too much change here.

yes, that's true

I like XWing for town, though, independent of there being too many scumspects.

yey!

That being said, I don't see a townslip from DT, and I will also remind people town slips can be faked, if it's even there.

duly noted..

pedit: oh okay, thanks brass!!

[xwing]

...What are you talking about? There are literally no townslips in any of DT's posts. And why are you telling DT all of this? He has been on this site for over 6 months and has played in several games, including multiple newbie games. So DT is well aware of all of the things that you are telling him here.

Please elaborate, because I don't understand why you directed all of that at DT.

well, he didnt know how to properly read the vote count.. 159
i dont check player profiles and metas so i didnt notice his join date and all..it just seemed to me that he's new..
also, i misread his wall posts, i thought he put that "as scum, you have to find other scum" (paraphrased) so it seemed like a townslip to me since scum have daychat and know everyone's alignments..
also, what are your reads? please dont make me ask you the fourth time..

[DoubtingThomas]

Tl;dr If I am not DT but I know DT's meta and history, I would put him at very slight scum lean to generate reaction to help myself understand his alignment a little more while keeping in mind he is actually null. I would be slightly annoyed that he is not playing to his usual self because no matter what that is that is negative for town and hope that he will start playing. As of now, he isn't one of my main scum suspects tbh

Are you talking about yourself in the third person and reading yourself.

This is why I also hate walls, if you can say something in fewer words, say it that way, this post in general is too hard to follow and I have no clue what you are trying to say.

I think this post is extremely bad in a scummy way

First problem

He attacks the post which was merely an ANSWER to another player's question

Second problem

I see really no point of making this post at all.
He's asking a very simple question that can be kinda inferred to (that I made this post in a third person way) but also at the same time, the question itself doesn't contribute to ANY scum hunting at all. The answer to whether or not I wrote the post in a third person does not help brass know my alignment at all.

Third problem

Then he goes on to attack my post in a way that's NAI and kinda pointless to point out. That "he hates walls" again which is his opinion, and he is free to express it. However, by expressing this opinion along with a pointless question he asked above, he is literally contributing nothing to the thread but still commenting on a post which was not directed towards him at all.

I think him giving out a negative opinion about the post which is not about the content of the post and how that may be townish/scummish of me is usually how scums tend to try to

shade

other players.

Overall, this post has 3 things I hate so much

- Belittling a post in a very indirect yet meaningless way
- Using that negative factor of the post to attack my slot/give a negative impression to others about me
- While in actuality if you look into this post, he contributed absolutely nothing. He did not enhance a conversation between me and him nor gave any useful analysis wrt my post

Furthermore, I think his complaint about how "he hates long post" and "if you have a succinct way of say something, say it in a simpler way" is just kinda really bad approach to the game

I can understand disliking long posts and I am sorry if you think that it makes the point I am trying to get across to be lost in the middle of it, but I make long posts because I tend to get on a tangent and write about all the thoughts I have in the process. To partly show a transparent thought process I have. This way, I can show others how/why I felt/thought abotu something in a certain way and discuss about it with them. Which will help me understand the other person's alignment better

You can dislike long posts and hate my post for not getting straight to the point, but I feel pretty strongly about this.

At the same time, I now think it's

REALLY SCUMMY

for you to just attack my post based on the fact that it's a long post and I didn't get my point across with it. rather than talking/expressing about how that makes me townie/scummy nor actually trying to ask me questions about the confusion you have with the post.

Because if you are town, you should be curious about the confusion you have. You express that you did not understand my post completely, but really don't ask a legit question that will help your clarification. Rather, you focus on how that makes my posting bad. Again, I think that comes from a scummy agenda that you want to give others the impression that I am posting badly.

I believe you are scum here, sir.

VOTE: Brass

[DoubtingThomas]

noted on your thoughts re the "townslip"..
im struggling a bit on the strength of my reads i guess so im trying to grasp at what i can to narrow my suspects..
im pretty sure brass and l8 are town though..
volxen *might* be town..

also brass, what if you want to quote multiple portions from singular post to put comments in between? is there no way but to quote the entire post then edit it? i usually copy-paste the whole "quote" at the start of every statement..

which part do you think is town slip for me? I don't really understand what you think is a slip from me. lol

why do you think brass/l8/volxen are towny?

Do you have thoughts on the one post (i know it is only one post) I made about brass?

[DoubtingThomas]

for illustration purposes, i want to easily accomplish something like this:

what reads do you have brass?

I feel like I just answered this one, and it seems this is the only question directed at me right now. Not too much change here.

yes, that's true

I like XWing for town, though, independent of there being too many scumspects.

yey!

That being said, I don't see a townslip from DT, and I will also remind people town slips can be faked, if it's even there.

duly noted..

pedit: oh okay, thanks brass!!

why don't you inquire brass why he thinks you are town over the few posts you've made so far?

scums can also give easy town reads to actual towns to try to pocket them/befriend them and make them

trying to understand why someone is town reading you is a key factor in trying to solve that person's alignment, imo

[DoubtingThomas]

@hearth:
to backtrack means to reverse your position on someone or something, but in a scummy/unnatural way..
also brass is right, drawing associations is far too early, i just combined my two biggest scum reads to make the scum team..hence saint-yellow..

@DT: this is important!!!
scum know who their fellow scum are, and they know everyone's alignment already..
they also have a private thread where they can communicate/interact at anytime (called daychat)..
what they dont know is who the town power roles (TPRs) are..
depending on the setup we are in though, they *may* have roles to find out who the PR is (e.g. mafia rolecop)..

i think DT may be town by virtue of townslip..

...What are you talking about? There are literally no townslips in any of DT's posts. And why are you telling DT all of this? He has been on this site for over 6 months and has played in several games, including multiple newbie games. So DT is well aware of all of the things that you are telling him here.

Please elaborate, because I don't understand why you directed all of that at DT.

I like this series of questions from you. Inquisitive attitude is always an attitude a town should have

I also want to like xswing for being nice to me trying to catch me up with stuff I might be lacking as a newbie

[DoubtingThomas]

UNVOTE: Doubting thomas

personallyi dont like this unvote

he voted me in an RVS, but then immediately posts 'unvote' to vote someone to get on a wagon?

[L84Dnr]

@DT Self-meta (what you were doing in your post 186) is one of the least reliable sources of informations, even when the player is town. It's so poor that using it is frequently regarded as a scumtell.

And your reaction is way out of proportion to what BrassHerald said, so have a Finger-o-Suspiscion on me.

[DoubtingThomas]

I find it unlikely that players would admit to liking to play scum. Being a dangerous scum player would increase the likelyhood of being lynched on that basis alone.

mm, personally like the tone here

[DoubtingThomas]

@DT Self-meta (what you were doing in your post 186) is one of the least reliable sources of informations, even when the player is town. It's so poor that using it is frequently regarded as a scumtell.

And your reaction is way out of proportion to what BrassHerald said, so have a Finger-o-Suspiscion on me.

okay, but he asked me if I was another player if I would scum read DoubtingThomas

I would definitely use my meta on myself so I am not sure what the point of this post is. Again, seems like you are trying to twist words to make me look worse even though the self meta was necessary part of the answer to the question he asked

[xwing]

see post 206 re townslip..

brass is active and engaged..
l8 is actively scumhunting..
volxen might be town for *reasons*..

i think your brass case might be a reach..there are other players here who are way scummier (e.g. saint-yellow), and your post haven't really convinced me to change my mind about brass..i think it's also more indicative for town to want more quality over quantity in posts, shows me that he wants to leave little room for misrep and fluff and makes your points easier to absorb..

you can ignore post 205, i was only trying to illustrate to brass what i wanted to accomplish using the quote function, and if he knew a better way..

@yellow: DT has now openly claimed he's good as scum..soooo what do you think about that?
@brass: well dt did make a good point..why am i town?

[DoubtingThomas]

Scum tend to like to try and avoid the spotlight because they know that they're targets.

And your reaction is way out of proportion to what BrassHerald said, so have a Finger-o-Suspiscion on me.

Question,

You believe scum tend to avoide the spotlight

My reaction was way out of proportion to what Brass said, so I made myself get in the spotlight

Why do you scum read me for that again?

[YellowSnow]

@xwing: which post?

[volxen]

@l8:
i feel like saint's got no original reasoning, mainly pushing what others have stated..
his first vote on hearth was echoing what i thought..
his second vote was on blank (not sure if it technically counted coz of the formatting, but the intent was there), who was inactive/site flaked..
his third vote on roo was echoing what others were saying..
he's not even engaging tried to engage them..
so his votes also feel opportunistic and just wanting a lynch instead of trying to sort..

For the most part I'm trying to figure out how forum mafia works honestly, as stated before I've only really played Town of Salem which is much more fast paced than this, trying to learn as I go. I'm not trying to lead for any lynching based on the fact that I'm not sure how well any scum reading I might be able to pick up would actually be.

Same here. I'm used to a 24 hour day cycle, which is much faster paced. Posting will help you with that.

Right now I have to agree with xwing.

VOTE: SaintAngelDFE

So tell us, what are your reads? On Day 1 they're always weak, so no worries there.

Right now? My reads are that xwing is likely town, he is jumping around a lot and searching from information.
Brass makes me nervous because he is experienced, I'm not sure I'm ready or even able to make an accurate claim on him yet.
The vote on Roo was more or less trying to see if he could have been trying to talk to other mafia before he responded?

But unfortunately the response he gave seemed genuine and not rushed. It was a reach and I should have voiced it.

I don't have too much of a read on Volxen based on similar issues as Brass, however I feel a little more sure that he's town.
Yellow is neutral to me, I'm not picking up on anything going either direction.
DoubtingThomas is talkative and definitely trying to push forward to get information, but he hasn't really pushed for any. I think that's suspicious, but like I said I'm still learning.

My suspects right now are between Volxen and DT. VOTE: volxen

So you voted for Roo essentially to see how he would react -- you thought he might have collaborated with his scumbuddy in the Mafia PT before responding to you. But then you go on to say that it was "unfortunate" that his response was genuine -- why is this "unfortunate"? If Roo is town and you were incorrectly scumreading him, why would it be "unfortunate" for him to respond in a towny/genuine way? If he is in fact town, wouldn't you want him to do/say something towny to help you get an accurate read of his slot? It sounds like you were expecting him to respond in a scummy way, and were disappointed when that didn't happen.

And others have already asked you about this, but I find your "slip up" here regarding my slot to be concerning. First you said that you were more sure about me being town than Brass. Then you wrote two sentences about why you are suspicious of DT, which was followed by you saying DT and I were your two suspects, followed by you voting for me.

Then when asked about this by other players, you made this post:

@l8:
i feel like saint's got no original reasoning, mainly pushing what others have stated..
his first vote on hearth was echoing what i thought..
his second vote was on blank (not sure if it technically counted coz of the formatting, but the intent was there), who was inactive/site flaked..
his third vote on roo was echoing what others were saying..
he's not even engaging tried to engage them..
so his votes also feel opportunistic and just wanting a lynch instead of trying to sort..

For the most part I'm trying to figure out how forum mafia works honestly, as stated before I've only really played Town of Salem which is much more fast paced than this, trying to learn as I go. I'm not trying to lead for any lynching based on the fact that I'm not sure how well any scum reading I might be able to pick up would actually be.

Same here. I'm used to a 24 hour day cycle, which is much faster paced. Posting will help you with that.

Right now I have to agree with xwing.

VOTE: SaintAngelDFE

So tell us, what are your reads? On Day 1 they're always weak, so no worries there.

Right now? My reads are that xwing is likely town, he is jumping around a lot and searching from information.
Brass makes me nervous because he is experienced, I'm not sure I'm ready or even able to make an accurate claim on him yet.
The vote on Roo was more or less trying to see if he could have been trying to talk to other mafia before he responded? But unfortunately the response he gave seemed genuine and not rushed. It was a reach and I should have voiced it.
I don't have too much of a read on Volxen based on similar issues as Brass, however I feel a little more sure that he's town.
Yellow is neutral to me, I'm not picking up on anything going either direction.
DoubtingThomas is talkative and definitely trying to push forward to get information, but he hasn't really pushed for any. I think that's suspicious, but like I said I'm still learning.

My suspects right now are between Volxen and DT. VOTE: volxen

Wait, Volxen you are more sure is town than me, and he's a top suspect?

Your reads don't match your vote, explain ASAP

My bad for the late response to this one - long day at work. I had been typing this in between a couple of meetings and must have honestly gotten mixed up while reading it back through, no real excuse as to why I added Volxen or voted him.

I need to start re-reading what I type, especially if I'm going to try and post while at work apparently. My only "scum read" is on DT honestly, but I'm not completely sure about Yellow or Brass still.


VOTE: DoubtingThomas

And it still isn't clear what you are claiming here. Are you saying that the only mistake you made was listing me as a scumread and voting for me, or are you saying that you didn't mean to mention me AT ALL in your previous post (141)? As in you didn't mean to say that you found me to be more towny than Brass?

Either way, it's concerning because either (1) you are town and just really, really botched up post 141 and your vote or (2) you are scum and made a legitimate scumslip. If you are town then I have to believe both of the following things:

(1) That even after you wrote two sentences talking about why DT is suspicious to you, and after you talked about how you found me more towny than Brass, you legitimately made a mistake in saying "my suspects are between DT and Volxen" and voting for me rather than DT.

(2) Based on your follow up in post 163, I also have to believe that you legitimately made a mistake in listing TWO different people as scumreads (DT and I) when you supposedly only have DT as a scumread. This makes it less believable. If you had followed up with "Oh, I meant <player X> instead of Volxen" in post 163, that would have at least been more consistent with what you previously wrote in post 141, where it clearly came across like you had two primary scum suspects (because you talked at length about DT but then didn't vote for him).

Basically, in short you wrote:

<explanation as to why you think DT is scum>. "My suspects are DT and Volxen". Vote for Volxen. (after previously listing me as a townread in the same post).

And you claim to have

intended

to wrote:

<explanation as to why you think DT is scum>. "My only suspect is DT". Vote for DT. (with it still being unclear whether you intended to list me as a townread here).

What troubles me about all of this is that if you are scum, everything you are doing is fake, including your reads, so it makes sense that could mess up your reads/vote like this (since it would all be fake anyways if you are scum). If you are town then you really,

really

botched up that entire post (141) along with your vote. So why is this more likely to be an honest mistake from town!Saint rather than a scumslip from scum!Saint?

[Roo]

@yellowsnow did you know that your vote put me at L-1? And do you have any reads at this point?

Yes, I knew. I thought that was allowed. I put my vote on who I think is scum. I've given plenty of reads.

Yes it is allowed, that wasn't the point of my question. Generally when someone votes to put a player at L-1, they make that known to the group so that person doesn't get instantly hammered.

And do you really think you've given "plenty of reads". When I look at your iso, all I see is a lot of 1 sentence thoughts. Are there any reads you feel particularly strongly about? Or a more developed case for who might be scum?

[L84Dnr]

Scum tend to like to try and avoid the spotlight because they know that they're targets.

And your reaction is way out of proportion to what BrassHerald said, so have a Finger-o-Suspiscion on me.

Question,

You believe scum tend to avoide the spotlight

My reaction was way out of proportion to what Brass said, so I made myself get in the spotlight

Why do you scum read me for that again?

Because your over-reaction was involuntary. Just because you don't want to be in the spotlight doesn't mean that you're good at staying out of it.

[Roo]

What troubles me about all of this is that if you are scum, everything you are doing is fake, including your reads, so it makes sense that could mess up your reads/vote like this (since it would all be fake anyways if you are scum). If you are town then you really, really botched up that entire post (141) along with your vote. So why is this more likely to be an honest mistake from town!Saint rather than a scumslip from scum!Saint?

I think this really sums up what happened well. And before a response is given, it makes me think that it is more likely than not that this was a scumslip.

[L84Dnr]

i think DT may be town by virtue of townslip..

I'm not seeing it. Can you explain?

[volxen]

...What are you talking about? There are literally no townslips in any of DT's posts. And why are you telling DT all of this? He has been on this site for over 6 months and has played in several games, including multiple newbie games. So DT is well aware of all of the things that you are telling him here.

Please elaborate, because I don't understand why you directed all of that at DT.

well, he didnt know how to properly read the vote count.. 159
i dont check player profiles and metas so i didnt notice his join date and all..it just seemed to me that he's new..
also, i misread his wall posts, i thought he put that "as scum, you have to find other scum" (paraphrased) so it seemed like a townslip to me since scum have daychat and know everyone's alignments..
also, what are your reads? please dont make me ask you the fourth time..

I don't have definitive reads on everyone yet. At the moment I am quite suspicious of Saint based on what I wrote in post 218. Be rest assured I will share my reads as I start to develop more definitive reads on other slots.

I am town this game, but can you tell me why you are townreading me?

[the worst]

quack?....mmm probably