no deadlines mafia [game over]

[Nancy Drew 39]

votecount 2.18

12 players voting for mastina (Xtoxm, Flavor Leaf, Purrcocet, Nancy Drew 39, Trekkie99, Ausuka, Dannflor, Gamma Emerald, TheBrie, Jingle, Jingle, Jingle)

4 players voting for Dannflor (mastina, vonflare, Kokichi Oma, light_ganski)

3 players voting for Ausuka (Wisdom, singletonking, Vaxkiller)
1 player voting for vonflare (Wagonomics)

3 players not voting (Party Boat, Enter, sheepsaysmeep)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to lynch.

mod notes: wish me luck becoming not sick soon........... rip me. also, I edited post 3059 to fix a formatting issue that affected most of page 123.

Is the Dannflor wagon clear? Most likely.

So Vonflare, Kokichi, Light are probably town.

[Xtoxm]

it could still be multiball with ausuka being otherscum, but otherwise I was prolly wrong

We’ll get into that.

I felt like PB was scum, but I didn’t feel like dealing with it yet, tbh. Neighborhood issues.

you spent the game shutting me down on that read and calling him town, tbh

[Xtoxm]

If we lynch quickly does his IC not get confirmed?

how many time do i need to say this never existed

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Party Boat

[light_ganski]

It was a month into the day. Explanation.

I talked about it in my neighborhood that near the end of the day, I started feeling I was wrong, which is when it got overly tunnely. I didn’t wanna think about it anymore.

And yet... you're still tunnelled at me for

veeeeeery

marginal reasons

[Purrcocet]

i guess im thw only one stuck onhat flip
mastina played like reverse death miller

VOTE: party boat guilty report.

What type of guilty did you return?

actually ill just out him because fuck him for not giving me fruit again

vax gave me fruit n1

hence me repeatedly wanting people not to lynch him

given purr is also a fruit vendor though, vax could be scum

vazX SCUM


I AM THE ONE TRUE FRUIT VENDOR

[Xtoxm]

yeah she trolled us

[Purrcocet]

It Sure Would Be Unfortunate If I Was To Be Killed During My Fruit Delivery Tonight

I Sure Hope No One

Tries








VOTE: pb

[Enter]

Ok so here's where I'm at on my reads. I am still behind and trying to catch up, but this is what I got off of ISO (and then jumping to places where it looked like I'd need more context)

GE:
Reads kinda town cuz her play is p towny (pushes reads, i can follow thought process, isn’t doing anything silly like buddying, not scum w/ purr cuz weird interaction), but then claims RB in game w/ 2jks

Overall don’t see scum motivation here, gonna say town for now

Xtomx:
Ugly replace out fake, “confscum” push on mastina (who flipped town and read him as scum)
Scummy

PB:
Seemed to go out of his way to be reasonable and amiable during the FL v ND fight, which comes from scum sometimes, I think. Also not seeing much thought past surface, but I could see slot being town? - nvm ausuka guiltied
Scummy

ND:
Towny - decent reasoning, ugly replace out request, shares thoughts like open book, i can follow thought p, don’t see an underlying motivation except maybe personal v FL? Seems p real tho

Wag:
Scummy - 2286 is kinda weird as well as 2559. 3p hunting… doesn’t nec come from town, also vonflare vote in 2508 is weird to me. Agrees w/ me on mastina in 2512, but seems to be wk-ing mastina in 2518, she doesn’t even show up in scums on 2879

Varsoon:
Weird cop fake, I think maybe it was town trying to get reads? Don’t like the replace out, tho…
Null-towny
FL:
1422 reads towny in it’s emotion to me, so I like it. It takes a lot of jumbo to lead town, I don’t think I blame for mastina lynch cuz sometimes when day goes long you get all messed up. He has a lot of town-feeling emotions, and while the ND stuff was weird I think I can see that also coming from town (maybe I’m biased off of varsoon play)
Town

Wisdom:
I like his thoughts, (I think) but he doesn’t invest much. I don’t see them do anything like super scummy, 2370 read as town to me
Town

Purr:
Seems genuinely invested in who does and does not get lynched, kinda gut read, but I’m reading as towny

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just copy-pasted this from my notes I can format later

[Gamma Emerald]

if we're looking at one scumteam 5 minimum
party boat out of those three

6 minimum, 8 maximum, from my homesite's standards (24p is standard size there)
If multiball I'd say 4 each?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma who did you block?

Xtoxm

[Xtoxm]

i doubt that

[Gamma Emerald]

Ausuka: Leaning a bit Town. I skimmed more than I read the most recent pages, so I'm not too clear why there's a wagon on this slot. I think it's probably a mislynch. She never ever thinks the Leo wagon is a good idea, even before it gets really bad and scum can be sure it'll go through anyway. Nothing in her ISO reads scummy to me so I'm gonna need someone to spell out the case on her. I'd would agree with the narrative that two mislynches are being setup today for town to choose between. However, I don't like post #2354 from Ausuka. It feeds into the BS narrative that we HAVE to lynch either my slot or Ausuka today which... I feel is being pushed by scum (more on that later). This is no deadlines mafia, having "no reason to town read someone" is not the best excuse to lynch someone. This would make more sense in a game with deadlines. However, I'm willing to give it a pass because of the heavy narrative being pressed that we NEED a lynch soon and that the game is stalling out. This could very well be a town survival instinct because of that.

this is easily a dannflor buddy

VOTE: ausuka

I'd be fine with you saying this, if you weren't pushing Ausuka earlier
how do I know you're not fitting evidence to reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

i doubt that

o_rly
mind explaining why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, you're right, apparently for this mod 5 scum in a 15 player game is acceptable which is not something I quite processed when I signed up -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10522230

so I don't know what count we're supposed to be guessing at though. With 25 players with this mod we could have as many as 8 scum LOL. Let's hope not though.

I'd still prefer to believe three, or at least focus on three until it's clear I need to find more.

That was an open setup that plays differently than this
I don't think xyzzy designed it but even then, not a factor here

[Xtoxm]

because i would be a terrible rb choice whether you're town or scum here
but maybe you're just bad and did it anyway

[Enter]

To answer GE's question if I could lynch four right now it would be pb -> wag -> xtomx -> vax

(mostly cuz Vax moves his vote around a lot, seems to not be really invested in the game, but I haven't really finished reading him so I'm not sure at this point and wouldn't really feel comfortable lynching)


also VOTE: Party boat

[Enter]

To clear what I'm saying about Vax: he's not invested in getting reads is what I mean. not a lot of pushing, just a lot of placing votes

[Party Boat]

I'm here, I obv haven't flaked when I posted right before the lynch

I will get lynched but obviously lynch fucking ausuka afterwards and don't give her any leeway for 'oh no my results got messed up woe is meeeeeeeeee' when varsoon's already fucking fakeclaimed and gotten away with it

I'll be around and I can give reads but tbh I haven't read shit b/c I was hoping to die in the night and not have to do things

[Gamma Emerald]

because i would be a terrible rb choice whether you're town or scum here
but maybe you're just bad and did it anyway

Why?
I thought you and mastina weren't scum together. mastina flipped town. That elevated your chances of being scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

To answer GE's question if I could lynch four right now it would be pb -> wag -> xtomx -> vax

I don't need that answered anymore but thanks anyway!

[Party Boat]

the fact that flavor has been pushing so godamn hard for these bullshit stances of 'oh mastina has to be scum look at all these counterwagons' and completely ignored saud DESPITE half the reason for everyone suspecting jaylow/saud was jaylow's vote on varsoon being the single worst post of all of day 1 should also be AN ENORMOUS FLASHING RED LIGHT

if anyone has opinions of mine they would like on particular players please ask for them

xtomx is still probably horrifically bad town imo while we're mentioning him

[Xtoxm]

I'll be around and I can give reads

go ahead.
do you think we have multiball or single+sk/vig?

[Party Boat]

VOTE: Ausuka

@xtomx-it's single given that there's only a 'mafia' flip so far I'd say

there do seem to be multiple one-shot vigs and maybe a SK though

[Gamma Emerald]

the fact that flavor has been pushing so godamn hard for these bullshit stances of 'oh mastina has to be scum look at all these counterwagons' and completely ignored saud DESPITE half the reason for everyone suspecting jaylow/saud was jaylow's vote on varsoon being the single worst post of all of day 1 should also be AN ENORMOUS FLASHING RED LIGHT

if anyone has opinions of mine they would like on particular players please ask for them

xtomx is still probably horrifically bad town imo while we're mentioning him

I'm down to take this Flavor lynch road