Open 746: Bus Service [Game Over]

[rb]

did you just change your avatar while I was mid-read?
damn you.

[mutantdevle]

Who replaced the bus time table with a vote count?

Votecount: 1.2

(4) Eliot Ness voted by:

Eyes without a face, Lovebird, rb, Sashaddin.

(2) Clemency voted by:

BuJaber, Flubbernugget.

(2) Lovebird voted by:

Eliot Ness, mcqueen.

(2) Eyes without a face voted by:

Akarin, TTTT.

(1) FallenDown voted by:

Clemency.

(1) Flubbernugget voted by:

ReaperofSouls.

(1) Not voting:

FallenDown.

With 13 players alive, 7 votes are needed for a lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-02-05 14:00:00).

[Sashaddin]

sure go ahead and say it

Lovebird kept talking with other people. Elliott has 80% of his iso only speaking to Lovebird. I have been accused of this when I was scum once and barely got out of it.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Sorry for the absence, I won't bore you with excuses. I am pretty tied up the rest of today but am off tomorrow with few plans and plan to dive into the ISOs on everyone and see if my few initial reads have changed with more content.

[Flubbernugget]

is flubber bad enough to do this as scum

You know my scum game

one game isn't knowledge

plus you know that i know

i don't consider it relevant

I've never seen a single example of competence decreasing over time

[Flubbernugget]

Rb what do you think of this?

VOTE: Elliot

at first i preferred akarin, but after this page i also like this

VOTE: Elliot

no, this is better

VOTE: Lovebird

I doubt Lovebird and Eliot are bussing here, so if one flips scum, to me the other is cleared. And out of the two, this is where I feel most comfortable applying pressure/ voting for the moment.

I also don't understand why Eliot is aquiring a wagon while Lovebird has received minimum pressure.

I think you're too quick to deny a possibility of scum theatrics but otherwise I agree here

[Flubbernugget]

Yeah I need to revisit eliot and lovebird

[rb]

is flubber bad enough to do this as scum

You know my scum game

one game isn't knowledge

plus you know that i know

i don't consider it relevant

I've never seen a single example of competence decreasing over time

'bad enough' is just general concept of 'is this within flubber's scum range?'

a single game played with you isn't meta knowledge

[BuJaber]

TTTT why are you voting eyes?

[ReaperOfSouls]

Okay quick read thru, intial impressions>

Akarin

116 Seems to be pursuing a very reachy argument on Eyes w/o a face.

Bujaber

Very serious out of gate. Jumping on the Clemency/Flubber joke?? claims. Shows genuine frustration that normally comes from town. 58 and 62. Towns Eyes W/O a Face. Why? Leaning town at this point on BuJaber.

Eliot Ness

Latches onto Lovebird 71 and 134. Spends almost all of thread time on this pursuit. Very tunnelly.

Eyes Without A Face

not alot to go on. Seems a tick defensive in response to being voted on. But find it NAI.

Fallendown

Seems inexperienced. How many games have you played @Fallendown. 169 everyone is scum until cleared.

Flubbernugget

Just a question for those that have played with him before, is this how he plays? 179 one game isn't meta.

Lovebird

83 I find almost TWTBAW. But I have no game experience with him. 126 I agree on Akarin. First impressions are that they are asking questions and keeping things stirred up. But I also see a little defecting at times with answers to questions. But at this point I agree with someone elses assessment that she is interacting with alot of players whereas Eliot is tunneling only on her. Which I normally find scumtell this early, especially given the reason for the pursuit.

mcueen

At this point i disagree with 151. At this point I get more of a town feel from Lovebird than Eliot. But that doesn't mean I am correct in that read as I have some doubts also.

rb

Hmm at this point its alot of short answers and sheeping of Lovebird. Alot of post but not alot of meat.

Sashaddin

92 Townie post. 159 Agree on the Lovebird/Eliot Ness at this point. 177 agree on the tunneling. Sorta mindmeld going on some things.

TTTT

174 Why?

Clemency

Honestly didn't read yet. His ISO always makes my head hurt. Usually takes a bit and the read on him comes.

Good feels so far
BuJaber
Sashaddin

Not so good feels
Akarin
Flubbernugget
Eliot Ness

[Akarin]

I feel like the only reason people think my argument is reachy is because people keep misinterpreting it and then I try to explain it more and that level of explanation of any tell would seem reachy.

If I asked the two of you to explain the only-interacting-with-one-person read over and over and kept calling it crazy and you explained it with more and more words, I think it would be equally easy to call it reachy.

There are good reasons to suspect people jumping on (what seems on page 1 like) easy lynchbait

before

there is a wagon. (Because of bad reaction to pressure.)

This isn't a reach and it's not crazy. It's also not the strongest case ever, but it was strong for that point in the game.

[Akarin]

At this point the reason I keep pushing it is the almost consensus dismissal.

[Akarin]

When Lovebird says Eyes is Towny, Akarin jumps on the occasion to vote naked on him. That early in the game, it made me think of an early distancing move from her.

It wasn't a naked vote. It was poorly explained, sure, but it wasn't naked. (Mouse over).

And isn't this a good argument for you to vote Eyes?

[Sashaddin]

It wasn't a naked vote. It was poorly explained, sure, but it wasn't naked. (Mouse over).

So "no picture" -> anti-bully ranger. Feels naked to me still... And no, telling someone to get a picture isn't lynch material to me.

[Eyes without a face]

There are good reasons to suspect people jumping on (what seems on page 1 like) easy lynchbait before there is a wagon. (Because of bad reaction to pressure.)

OK. How do I know there "will" be a wagon? And how do I even know they are lynchbait in advance? This is only my 2nd game here and I don't know any of you and you don't know me either, so please explain why you consider Fallen to be lynchbaity and why you think I knew that they are.

[Eyes without a face]

I am fed up with this Akarin tunnel, so I will propose this: Cop should check me tonight. Since I know the result on me I trust that there will be nothing to claim tomorrow, so the Cop will not have to out. Once we've established the Cop has no guilty we proceed to lynch Akarin.

The good thing is scum messing with the Cop by shooting me still confirms me as Town and we still lynch Akarin after my flip, and of course the Busdriver is Town so scum cannot mess with the result obtained on me.

Please nobody discuss. I am not fishing for responses. Just do it.. or don't.

[Akarin]

And no, telling someone to get a picture isn't lynch material to me.

At a certain point it this starts to feel like deliberate misrepresentation.

[Akarin]

VOTE: Eyes
VOTE: Eyes

[rb]

Okay quick read thru, intial impressions>

Akarin

116 Seems to be pursuing a very reachy argument on Eyes w/o a face.

Bujaber

Very serious out of gate. Jumping on the Clemency/Flubber joke?? claims. Shows genuine frustration that normally comes from town. 58 and 62. Towns Eyes W/O a Face. Why? Leaning town at this point on BuJaber.

Eliot Ness

Latches onto Lovebird 71 and 134. Spends almost all of thread time on this pursuit. Very tunnelly.

Eyes Without A Face

not alot to go on. Seems a tick defensive in response to being voted on. But find it NAI.

Fallendown

Seems inexperienced. How many games have you played @Fallendown. 169 everyone is scum until cleared.

Flubbernugget

Just a question for those that have played with him before, is this how he plays? 179 one game isn't meta.

Lovebird

83 I find almost TWTBAW. But I have no game experience with him. 126 I agree on Akarin. First impressions are that they are asking questions and keeping things stirred up. But I also see a little defecting at times with answers to questions. But at this point I agree with someone elses assessment that she is interacting with alot of players whereas Eliot is tunneling only on her. Which I normally find scumtell this early, especially given the reason for the pursuit.

mcueen

At this point i disagree with 151. At this point I get more of a town feel from Lovebird than Eliot. But that doesn't mean I am correct in that read as I have some doubts also.

rb

Hmm at this point its alot of short answers and sheeping of Lovebird. Alot of post but not alot of meat.

Sashaddin

92 Townie post. 159 Agree on the Lovebird/Eliot Ness at this point. 177 agree on the tunneling. Sorta mindmeld going on some things.

TTTT

174 Why?

Clemency

Honestly didn't read yet. His ISO always makes my head hurt. Usually takes a bit and the read on him comes.

Good feels so far
BuJaber
Sashaddin

Not so good feels
Akarin
Flubbernugget
Eliot Ness

i've only ever seen lists like this come from scum

lovebird can you change your vote so i can vote bujaber too

[TTTT]

TTTT why are you voting eyes?

my innards jiggle a little bit whenever I read his posts

[TTTT]

i've only ever seen lists like this come from scum

I disagree that this always comes from scum but it does seem a bit early for the full readslist with linked posts

[mcqueen]

And to clarify - I feel like Lovebird's decisions and reads so far have been with as little reasoning as possible. The vote on Eliot seemed to come out of left-field (at least FMPOV), and when asked she said, "I felt like it."

I'm gonna fencesit a little bit and say that I'm not putting full trust in Eliot here, but I feel like his actions have better purpose behind them, enough to sway my vote to Lovebird.

is purposefulness townie? why?

no. Purposefulness was a bad word to use. Scum can (and do) have purpose, too.

Genuine intent feels better. Been a few days since I read the interaction (I could use a reread of the thread), but Lovebird felt ‘dodgy,’ not in the sense that she didn’t answer the questions, but her reluctance to give a direct answer. Eliot didn’t do that.

[mcqueen]

lovebird is receiving minimum pressure because she's playing like town

how?

[mcqueen]

Why insinuate I'm defending a buddy? Clearly, I just wanted to push you for reads that had no explanation/ didn't make sense.

Huh? I said the exact opposite of that

Oh, I think it's scummy then. If you cared more about reasons why they're town rather than pushing for early townreads, it'd be towny.

The bottom doesn’t make sense. I DO care about reasons for them being town; I asked you, “why are these players town?” When did I push for early townreads out of you or anyone else? It’s weird you had a townread that early, is all.

[mcqueen]

And to clarify - I feel like Lovebird's decisions and reads so far have been with as little reasoning as possible. The vote on Eliot seemed to come out of left-field (at least FMPOV), and when asked she said, "I felt like it."

I'm gonna fencesit a little bit and say that I'm not putting full trust in Eliot here, but I feel like his actions have better purpose behind them, enough to sway my vote to Lovebird.

Ya, I did feel like it.

What's wrong with that?

so you’re proving my point that your reasons for your actions are nonexistant. On the surface, it seems like you’re reaction fishing tbqh, but when you repeatedly do that, it becomes more scummy as time goes on (first instance: asking me why I cared about your early townreads).