Mini 2049: The Townsquare Game Over

[the worst]

you're not allowed to roll scum against me anymore skitter
it's the law

[skitter30]

eh i did learn a bunch of things tho:
1. being wrong as scum is fine and i can fake being stubborn sometimes
2. apparently i shouldn't worry about being read on bop?
3. being reckless is not a good idea for my playstyle
4. apparently i can fool nsg? this is kinda surprising to learn ngl
5. i do not enjoy nightless or lover setups as scum and i'm going to stay very far away from them

[skitter30]

you're not allowed to roll scum against me anymore skitter
it's the law

i mean i've only had 3 scumgames in the past like year and a half

and yes, you were in two of them lol

if this hadn't been effectively nightless you would have been very very very dead a very very very long time ago, town!you kinda scares me

[northsidegal]

4. apparently i can fool nsg? this is kinda surprising to learn ngl

i wouldn't doubt that you can, although i'm not sure if i would take this game as evidence

too much

beyond seeing that scum were the ones dead and that A50 was claiming some unbelievable vig role i really didn't read this game

all that much

[skitter30]

fair enough!

[the worst]

I have a new trick for next time I long term scumread you
(and it's not "actually post")

[BuJaber]

Did scum have daychat?

[skitter30]

yeah i pointed out in the scumpt a while ago that a very significant reason why i wasn't under more pressure was cuz you weren't really posting; when you actually started playing my chances of pulling it off went way down and i kinda predicted and anticipated that but i wasn't very good at adapting to it

[skitter30]

Did scum have daychat?

nope

[Robert2424]

Well we floated that it might be a lynch by lynch system scum have already won (town lynch = mafia nk; mafia lynch = town nk)

Here I thought you couldn't discuss the game unless in game, or in certain places.

[Jingle]

I'll accept Skitter's concession, although tbf I think she had a decent chance today.

I'll publish the mod and dead PTs in a minute, but I believe there were a couple redactions the scumteam requested so I'll give them a few days to make clear everything they want redacted so I can deal with that.

And yes, town is victorious.

[Jingle]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10500629 - Deadthread


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10607101 - Mod/review thread

[skitter30]

eh i maybe did before i took nsg's bait, after i didn't really; i kinda misplayed that, whoops :/

but thanks jingle for modding!

[the worst]

Well we floated that it might be a lynch by lynch system scum have already won (town lynch = mafia nk; mafia lynch = town nk)

Here I thought you couldn't discuss the game unless in game, or in certain places.

hydra heads can in private (we share a slot; in essence we share all the same info and are the """same mind""")

[Jingle]

BTW, some setup info:

This was a 5v8 with a townwin on any scumlynch and a scumwin if every scum player escaped. Random Lynching gives a town EV of ~58%.

Scum was buffed by the fact that they had much more setup info than town and a large group with which to influence the lynch. The lack of daychat was to exacerbate scum associations, giving the town a chance to catch scum more easily. Additionally, I found it very unlikely that a scumlynch would go through D1 because they had the option of any claim they wanted to slip the noose, and could just disappear in the night without any trouble.

The basic idea behind the setup was to build a setup where good townplayers wouldn't have to worry about eating a nightkill and people who don't enjoy playing scum (like skitter) could pull the ripcord and disappear relatively early (unlike skitter) without hurting their team.

Now that it's been run, I think it would be a fair and potentially fun 14p open (with a nightstart). Any thoughts on that?

[the worst]

why nightstart exactly?

[Jingle]

It gives the same numbers as a 13p daystart, but the scumteam has more influence on Day 1 to account for their inability to fakeclaim.

[Jingle]

Also, they can smuggle out a player before the game starts to further emphasize the "I don't want to play scum, so peace" aspect of the setup.

[RadiantCowbells]

scum really really needed dasychat in this game

[skitter30]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Jingle]

I disagree. I think the 'in the dark' aspect of town made no daychat necessary. I'd agree it would be preferable for the open though.

And suck it up skitter You almost got there against a stacked town despite a really awkward start D1. If I'd given you daychat I'd never have had the pleasure of watching you freak out about how you were gonna lose for five days straight

[Not Chara]

this game was fun to watch. i was rooting for scum, but i completely understand skitter's stress there and her deciding to impulsively claim.
was really surprised Almost was never lynched for that vig claim.

[skitter30]

And suck it up skitter You almost got there against a stacked town despite a really awkward start D1. If I'd given you daychat I'd never have had the pleasure of watching you freak out about how you were gonna lose for five days straight

eh no, you would have gotten a literal running commentary about my thoughts on like every other post in the game

and people who don't enjoy playing scum (like skitter) could pull the ripcord and disappear relatively early (unlike skitter) without hurting their team.

i overall felt like we had a better chance of getting farther if i stayed in than if i left; even though i hate playing scum with a passion i do recognize that i'm competent enough at it that i thought my absence on an early night would be more detrimental to the team as a whole than my staying given that i was *probably* the deepwolf most of the time in this scumteam

i kinda have a whole thing about the setup, not sure if i'll post it or not but yeah

[themilkcartonkid]

Oh man, honestly if it weren't for that last second replacement I think we would have won. Gg

[the worst]

scum really really needed dasychat in this game

+100