Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Allomancer]

RC and ASAP are acronyms. duh.

[Allomancer]

also i just got a pagetop and i didnt realize it ^
haha

[Nancy Drew 39]

To add to what Taly said, pairs should probably be decided near end of the pre-dance so we have the most info when making them. ...or we just pick a date we think is cute.

I like this realism about the chances of an effective pairing strategy

Yes, the more info we have prior to pairing up, the better the reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes, Vedith seems too eager and isn’t trying to sort the ladies.

My main concern is making it to the dance.

I do recall Vedith being similar in the last one we were in together and he was town

[Ankamius]

I'm really confused how suddenly coins matter this game when most people didn't care at all last game despite me ramming it down peoples throats all game

[Gamma Emerald]

Trying to plan the dance setup in 2019

We did very well in Witches Ball imo

[Alisae]

I'm really confused how suddenly coins matter this game when most people didn't care at all last game despite me ramming it down peoples throats all game

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean ladies know how many coins they have yea? Can we just pair town read gents with high coin ladies, or am I missing something?

This is another strategy but it presents all the same risks of strategy 1, which is if we are wrong on some reads Dance 1 risks getting really, really stupid

I guess partly I just want to make it so there is less scum motivation in scum claiming and speed lynching town

But you may be partly right. I might need to think about this. But I think this is why we basically just have to no lynch. Otherwise if we mislynch once, and scum have 8+ combined coins, the game gets really stupid really fast.

I don't know if you noticed this yet but I really don't like the coins since they risk making pre-dance pointless and/or risks turning apparently optimal d1 play for town into a disaster.

But you maybe right--maybe we want the ladies with coins 5-8 to all hardclaim, and actually just pair in order of townreads there?

Otherwise if we have 2 scum gentlemen that, combined, have 8+ coins, dance 1 is just awful for town

Um voting is majority based on the sum total of coins right? Am I wrong?

[Ankamius]

I'm just as confused as to why I'm being criticized for assuming RC is town when it should be blatantly obvious he will be the kill if he is town to people who have played with his town game, and that it's kind of really weird to suggest outright skipping the first dance and allowing scum to have their way with whoever they want first thing in the game.

Yeah, no thanks. I'm not following this plan and I'm going to heavily go against it if it gets traction like it has been

[Allomancer]

I'm really confused how suddenly coins matter this game when most people didn't care at all last game despite me ramming it down peoples throats all game

because last game we messed it up with fb/tw and pb/clem pairing before we had a chance to properly setup spec.
Also i cared <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

I agree that high coin ladies should claim since I did it last game

But I vehemently deny that skipping first dance is a good idea in any stretch

I agree

Dann is a scumread too btw

I disagree

He's done nothing that's town and the way he's dancing around the setup discussion feels too "scum trying to post a lot to hide how little they're saying" for my taste

How is he dancing around the setup discussion?

[Dannflor]

I agree that high coin ladies should claim since I did it last game

But I vehemently deny that skipping first dance is a good idea in any stretch

I agree

Dann is a scumread too btw

I disagree

He's done nothing that's town and the way he's dancing around the setup discussion feels too "scum trying to post a lot to hide how little they're saying" for my taste

A lot of people are posting a lot, very few people have said anything of value.

Vedith’s self preservation is town, also

[Ankamius]

It's a simple 2+2

It's a scum motivated action

Krazy is a scumread thanks to that

Any questions

[Ankamius]

I agree that high coin ladies should claim since I did it last game

But I vehemently deny that skipping first dance is a good idea in any stretch

I agree

Dann is a scumread too btw

I disagree

He's done nothing that's town and the way he's dancing around the setup discussion feels too "scum trying to post a lot to hide how little they're saying" for my taste

A lot of people are posting a lot, very few people have said anything of value.

Vedith’s self preservation is town, also

Your posting specifically is wooden and doesn't even look to be advancing that discussion like everybody else's is

Why is that if you are town?

[Gamma Emerald]

However, given that a mountainous in dance 2 can be really exhausting for town, I do think there is merit in going with at least some of the logic of scenario 2 -- have the top 4 coin ladies choose a man they townread that they can enjoy solving with or enjoy sorting rather than having it be over-determined by group consensus

Reminder that deadline doesn't reset off a lynch in Dance 2
So with that plan we'd have 8 days to sort 14 players

[Ankamius]

However, given that a mountainous in dance 2 can be really exhausting for town, I do think there is merit in going with at least some of the logic of scenario 2 -- have the top 4 coin ladies choose a man they townread that they can enjoy solving with or enjoy sorting rather than having it be over-determined by group consensus

Reminder that deadline doesn't reset off a lynch in Dance 2
So with that plan we'd have 8 days to sort 14 players

Another good point in favor to skipping first dance being a bad idea.

[Gamma Emerald]

So basically, top 4 coin ladies still get to pick their partners. *town does not pick for them*, but *town can by consensus reject a pairing*?

That is, top 4 ladies just have 1 extra step.

1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing

whereas the other 4 ladies are just like
1. Dude offers
2. Lady decides

something like that?

If we do this let the wealthy ones pick first for wider selection.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh boy so the IC is deferred to later. That's interesting and negates the chance of it getting killed. I like.

First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached. During the intermission, Mafia may secretly force one of the dance pairs to leave.

Mafia also picks another player, whose alignment will be made public at the beginning of the Second dance

. Second dance will then begin, and continue until the game's end.

Yeah, that totally switches things up.

[Dannflor]

Well I disagree my posting is wooden

I think the setup discussion was necessary to have and get out of the way early. I disagree everyone else is advancing discussion, in fact there’s been a lot of redundant posts/discussion along the lines of what you’re criticizing me for. I’ll explain what I mean when I get home

[Gamma Emerald]

1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing

I like this quite a bit

No lynching after the first day also gets us down to an odd number of pairs after the NK, yea?

Why does odd number matter?

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh no anka might be scum here what do i do

Because she scumread you or other reasons?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Are you all forgetting that RC is in this game and that scum would take an opportunity to remove him ASAP if they could?

RC hasn’t even posted. Why are you defacto already assuming he’s town here?

nancy why aren't you angry at anklemouse for using all caps?? thats not fair

When did Ank type in allcaps? And

no one

should make a habit of this.

[Alisae]

Are you all forgetting that RC is in this game and that scum would take an opportunity to remove him ASAP if they could?

RC hasn’t even posted. Why are you defacto already assuming he’s town here?

nancy why aren't you angry at anklemouse for using all caps?? thats not fair

When did Ank type in allcaps? And

no one

should make a habit of this.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes, Vedith seems too eager and isn’t trying to sort the ladies.

My main concern is making it to the dance.

I do recall Vedith being similar in the last one we were in together and he was town

God help us in that case.

[Pink Ball]

I thought this game was about catching scum, not talking about mechanics. Can someone make a tl;dr of the discussion and continue the game? 'Cause I'm not good at reading people talking about mechanics. I think Krazy is town tho since, from what I read, his proposal was really pro town