Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

Alisae · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:36 pm

In post 496, Allomancer wrote:
In post 489, Vedith wrote:So here it is!

Nancy

Allo

Gamma

Alisae

Dr Worm

Pinky

Firebringer

Krazy

Ank

Taly

Dannflor
how can you have any sort of a read on gamma at this point?

huh

Allomancer · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:36 pm

and how is fb scum?

Alisae · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:36 pm

In post 497, Vedith wrote:
In post 493, Firebringer wrote:That's a vedith town read list lol
I'm helping!

uh huh

Vedith · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:36 pm

In post 498, Allomancer wrote:also how is nancy locktown?

Who the fuck uses the term locktown in 2019?
It's just top of my list and I made it pretty \o/

Vedith · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:37 pm

In post 501, Allomancer wrote:and how is fb scum?

Well, more mid!
And because I don't overly trust that naughty naughty lady!

Allomancer · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:37 pm

In post 503, Vedith wrote:
In post 498, Allomancer wrote:also how is nancy locktown?
Who the fuck uses the term locktown in 2019?
It's just top of my list and I made it pretty \o/

explaining would be nice instead of deflecting
also how is nancy top of your list anyway?

Firebringer · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:37 pm

In post 504, Vedith wrote:
In post 501, Allomancer wrote:and how is fb scum?
Well, more mid!
And because I don't overly trust that naughty naughty lady!

I like this guy

Allomancer · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:38 pm

you like him for scumreading you?

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:38 pm

In post 453, Dannflor wrote:
In post 449, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Just freaking tell me already then, please? I’m obviously missing something and no one serms to have the decency to bother sharing it with me.

In post 307, Dannflor wrote:I don't like this because it's a lazy read. I don't like the "seeming kinda" wording to begin with, but aside from that, I think scum reading Vedith is easy but doesn't really make sense if you think about it. I don't think scum shows as much desperation to get a dance as he does. Worst case scenario, scum can buddy and pair up if they have to. Probably not optimal, but their strategy is probably closer to pocketing one person and not really worrying about being the odd man out. The motivation behind that behavior (even joking behavior) comes from town imo

Also, I don't like Allomancer's immediate defensiveness of not justifying his reads and pointing to previous games as "look I'm matching my town meta!" Doesn't seem like a town response

What has that got to do with me? Why you’re scumreading me. Everybody keeps insisting that my not automatically jumping on an Allo scumwagon has nothing to do with why they’re scumreading me, so for like the gazillionth time, why then?

And why wouldn’t scum be desperate to be paired up? Not saying Vedith is scum but your reasoning makes no sense.

Vedith · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:39 pm

In post 505, Allomancer wrote:explaining would be nice instead of deflecting
also how is nancy top of your list anyway?

Because I read her as town. I also see the people pushing, and other than Ali, I don't like it!

Firebringer · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:40 pm

In post 507, Allomancer wrote:you like him for scumreading you?

I like him for not openly trusting me. if he had a strong scumread on me I would be talking to him about it. If he had a strong townread I would be suspecting him hard, But right now I trust him to be town and I like that he is thinking in a different way than me.

I like vedith, he is a cool dude.

Dannflor · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:40 pm

In post 508, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:And why wouldn’t scum be desperate to be paired up? Not saying Vedith is scum but your reasoning makes no sense.

Because scum can just pair up with scum if they need too, town don't have that luxury

Allomancer · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:40 pm

In post 509, Vedith wrote:
In post 505, Allomancer wrote:explaining would be nice instead of deflecting
also how is nancy top of your list anyway?
Because I read her as town. I also see the people pushing, and other than Ali, I don't like it!

that's not an explanation. "why do you townread nancy?" "because i read her as town"

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:41 pm

In post 456, Ankamius wrote:
In post 454, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 320, Firebringer wrote:
In post 319, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Okay, so apparently I’m scum for not automatically being convinced Allo’s scum here, got it.
nope. keep trying.
No, you and everyone who keeps throwing all of this bs shade on me. YOU fucking tell ME, because I’m really losing patience with this riddle I’m being scumread for not solving and I’m not going to continue to keep banging my head against a brick wall, as why I’m being wrongly scumread here.
I'll give you another reason I was scumreading you in heroes that you are also showing here: you are showing a lot of initiative in getting people to interact but you're not using it to scumhunt

The game just barely started. I usually townblock this early in the game. How do you not know that?

Krazy · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:41 pm

In post 160, Alisae wrote:yeah I’m still of the opinion that coins don’t matter

This was my inclination on how to play in the first dance, and I do think that there's at least a 25% chance or so that they don't matter (i.e., if there's 2 scum ladies and 1 scum gent, and the 1 scum gent ends up with fewer than 8 coins, coins don't matter).

The question for me is how much we play around worst case scenarios (2 scum gents who combined have 8 or more coins and who are likely to be lynched) -- and partly the reason I get so hung up on this is that "2 scum gents who combined have 8 or more coins and are likely to be lynched" is relatively likely if town is ignoring coins and just playing like halloweens ball. So coins might not matter, I would prefer if coins didn't matter, but I think it is dangerous to just totally ignore them and play as though they don't exist

Vedith · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:41 pm

In post 510, Firebringer wrote:I like vedith, he is a cool dude.

I can't stay mad at you!

Allomancer · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:42 pm

krazy i liked you better last game. You were mixing in reads with your setup spec. this game has just been setup spec and i need some reads from you

Allomancer · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:42 pm

In post 515, Vedith wrote:
In post 510, Firebringer wrote:I like vedith, he is a cool dude.
I can't stay mad at you!

posts like this are a total waste of time and do nothing but clog the thread. Maybe spend your time writing the explanations I requested instead.

Vedith · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:42 pm

In post 512, Allomancer wrote:that's not an explanation. "why do you townread nancy?" "because i read her as town"

Your question was "Why is Nancy top of my list"...
I wouldn't put Nancy on top of my list if I didn't town read her.

And on the downlow, I'm still trying to woo her into the dance as a backup!

Vedith · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:43 pm

In post 517, Allomancer wrote:posts like this are a total waste of time and do nothing but clog the thread. Maybe spend your time writing the explanations I requested instead.

Okay \o/

Allomancer · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:44 pm

In post 518, Vedith wrote:
In post 512, Allomancer wrote:that's not an explanation. "why do you townread nancy?" "because i read her as town"
I wouldn't put Nancy on top of my list if I didn't town read her.

that's exactly my point. I can infer from her being top of your list that you townread her. My question, which you still fail to answer, is why?

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:44 pm

In post 473, Dannflor wrote:
In post 469, Vedith wrote:
In post 465, Dannflor wrote:you should share
It won't look good for you though!
Are you sure?
you already said you wanna lynch me dude

pedit: what Allo said

I thought you were scumreading him?

Allomancer · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:44 pm

In post 521, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 473, Dannflor wrote:
In post 469, Vedith wrote:
In post 465, Dannflor wrote:you should share
It won't look good for you though!
Are you sure?
you already said you wanna lynch me dude

pedit: what Allo said
I thought you were scumreading him?

scumread doesn't automatically mean they are always wrong...

Krazy · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:45 pm

In post 162, Dr Worm wrote:Good morning how are YOU? I'm DR. WORM!!

In post 165, Dr Worm wrote:ANKAMOUSE YIU SHOULD KNOW IM NOT A REAL DOCTOR

In post 167, Dr Worm wrote:Also KRAZY is SMART..we should make ladies with BIG COINS dance with the NICE GUY'S

In post 168, Alisae wrote:
In post 167, Dr Worm wrote:Also KRAZY is SMART..we should make ladies with BIG COINS dance with the NICE GUY'S
this is starting to get obnoxious extremely quickly

In post 174, Dr Worm wrote:I AM SO SORRY AKIASAE!! I don't want to obnoxious you I am just trying to get BETTER at mafia but I CAN HANDLE CRITICISM. So let me know if you think I'm getting better!!

this is just kinda interesting to me because:
162 is a greeting
165 is a response to Ank from the previous page
167 is a response from what I was saying 2 previous pages (so he was more or less keeping up with the thread)
174 is a response to what someone just wrote

So Worm is actually doing a decent job of keeping up with the thread and can also respond to people on the fly. I'm just observing that although he is clearly having fun with his gimmick he strikes me as competent at mafia

@Worm, I'm assuming you've played from off-site? How much experience do you have off-site?

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:45 pm

In post 474, Alisae wrote:
In post 471, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 443, Dannflor wrote:
In post 430, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:thing about my meta.
I've played a game with you and I've read a game with you in it. You have a very distinctive style

Allomancer, do you still scum read Vedith, and if so would you share reasoning?
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS To Me ALREADY BECAUSE MY HEAD Is HURTING.
ur scum

No and I still don’t understand but I’m resigning myself to never getting answers.