Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Dannflor]

oof so it begins

good bye Nancy if you're going, but I would ask that you please try to divorce yourself from people scum reading you and play the game regardless if possible though

I'll be back later tonight, wanna give time for people who haven't posted yet and possible replacement to actually catch up and give thoughts

[Nancy Drew 39]

The last game had like 6 replacements and because Nancy gets scumread she replaces out after spamming the fuck out of the game. No, she needs to stay because that's fucking common courtesy to stay given what has happened before, and she signed up for this game knowing what happened last.

This is right at all Nancy and you know it. You don't replace out given all this shit.
You aren't being fair to anyone here.

If you need a break take a break from the thread. None of this is acceptable behavior of replacing out when the game isn't even 48 hours old and no one is treating you unfairly

You don’t get to fucking lecture me. I’m not a goddamned masochist, sorry not sorry.

[Firebringer]

actually I don't want Nancy in this game if she is going to behave like a child.
So go ahead and leave.

[Alisae]

The last game had like 6 replacements and because Nancy gets scumread she replaces out after spamming the fuck out of the game. No, she needs to stay because that's fucking common courtesy to stay given what has happened before, and she signed up for this game knowing what happened last.

This is right at all Nancy and you know it. You don't replace out given all this shit.
You aren't being fair to anyone here.

If you need a break take a break from the thread. None of this is acceptable behavior of replacing out when the game isn't even 48 hours old and no one is treating you unfairly

You don’t get to fucking lecture me. I’m not a goddamned masochist, sorry not sorry.

why are you still here

[Krazy]

i feel like the point ank brought up about scum getting an NK without anyone of them getting lynched is a good one, but i want krazy to follow-up on her thoughts on that, and say something beyond setup mechanics

yeah this setup is deceptively complicated which is why I replaced out last time when I realized I was basically wrong about everything for the first day or two, because *some things might matter not at all* but *could matter a lot* and some of that has to deal with the RNG of whether scum have 2 gents or 1 gent (or 0 or 3 etc.). Dance 1 could be totally fine and played like any other phase if scum have three ladies -- but we don't know that, and I get pretty frustrated pushing a strategy around worst case scenarios which might be totally pointless if RNG swung all the scum on ladies

basically this setup has the potential to have a lot of wasted effort, but that's fine it's like a quasi-blitz given it can only last 26 days tops

[Nancy Drew 39]

oof so it begins

good bye Nancy if you're going, but I would ask that you please try to divorce yourself from people scum reading you and play the game regardless if possible though

I'll be back later tonight, wanna give time for people who haven't posted yet and possible replacement to actually catch up and give thoughts

I can handle being wrongly scumread but here I’m being wrongly deathtunneled and I’m not fucking tolerating it. I recently went through this and I can’t put myself through that again.

[Firebringer]

I don't think less than a 24 hour push can qualify as a death tunnel but whatever you want to call it that helps your victim complex.

[Allomancer]

I don't think less than a 24 hour push can qualify as a death tunnel but whatever you want to call it that helps your victim complex.

i don't think you're helping here

[Firebringer]

not trying to help here. Nancy is acting like a child and I am calling her behavior out.
I don't think it helps her by telling her she is right to leave the game while throwing a fit tbh.

[Krazy]

Ank, was there any benefit that you saw in claiming coin value in your previous game of this?

I think was absolutely right that the 8-coin lady probably realizes she needs to claim regardless of what the rest of the town decides

I think realizing how important it is for 5-7 coin ladies to claim is not quite as obvious at a first glance of the setup

[Alisae]

i feel like the point ank brought up about scum getting an NK without anyone of them getting lynched is a good one, but i want krazy to follow-up on her thoughts on that, and say something beyond setup mechanics

yeah this setup is deceptively complicated which is why I replaced out last time when I realized I was basically wrong about everything for the first day or two, because *some things might matter not at all* but *could matter a lot* and some of that has to deal with the RNG of whether scum have 2 gents or 1 gent (or 0 or 3 etc.). Dance 1 could be totally fine and played like any other phase if scum have three ladies -- but we don't know that, and I get pretty frustrated pushing a strategy around worst case scenarios which might be totally pointless if RNG swung all the scum on ladies

basically this setup has the potential to have a lot of wasted effort, but that's fine it's like a quasi-blitz given it can only last 26 days tops

first off, this is never a valid reason to replace out of a game and you are an asshole because of that
second, I don't think anyone has really came close to breaking the setup to its core because its the best lovers setup ever created. The reason being its simple. You pair up, then you lynch, and then you leave gg ez game ez money. It's a classic. Not to mention there are 0 night actions aside from a kill. So mechanically, there is literally nothing to break.

[Krazy]

what are the chances of that happening though? scum can always pair with each other if it seems one of them will be forced out

While the coins might actually make a slightly higher incentive for a scum/scum pairing if a scum lady rolled high on coins, I think in general scum try to avoid scum/scum pairings unless doing so would make them look likely to be a top pairing

[Taly]

Shit. I saw I misread Nancy's stance. Sorry.

Making a mental note for when I reevaluate. I need distance from the thread now.

[Firebringer]

and all Nancy has to do here is acknowledge people are pushing her and try to understand their push and handle it in an adult fashion by talking it out but at every time she has proclaimed "OHH that's not reason to scumread", or "I don't understand" or "that isn't true". then says shes being unfairly treated while not explaining how she is being unfairly treated except that people push her for things she won't explain are bad and try to keep and open dialogue.

See you either agree with everything Nancy says is true, or you don't and if you don't you are being unfair and are death tunneling for no good reason.

Like a child who says that they were unpunished unfairly while you tell them what you did is wrong but won't acknowledge anything they did as wrong instead ignores it all and puts their hands over ears like you didn't say anything.

This is child behavior.


But if she can't act like a grown up and behave in a way in which we can disagree but still communicate with both of us being respectful of the other, then I don't want her in this game and I am happy she is replacing out. I don't want her to be in here if she continues to act like this. She can take her time out and go. I am not going to try to convince her that what she is doing is wrong because she isn't behaving like an adult right now so doesn't get adult treatment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what are the chances of that happening though? scum can always pair with each other if it seems one of them will be forced out

While the coins might actually make a slightly higher incentive for a scum/scum pairing if a scum lady rolled high on coins, I think in general scum try to avoid scum/scum pairings unless doing so would make them look likely to be a top pairing

Mechanicically scum would lose in that case. There are two pairs left and only one scum flip. Both townies in the other pair KNOW that the other remaining pair have to be scum. It’s not rocket science.

[Firebringer]

Stop posting if you are replacing out or take out your replacement request. You are confusing players and the mod by still posting.

[FakeGod]

I PM'd this to everyone, but I'll post it here for completion.

@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?

Sure.

Apologies, I was on mobile and in a middle of something.

You can talk about the last game in general terms if you need to make a specific point or something, but I'd prefer if you guys stay away from bringing up that game if you can.

Thank you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and all Nancy has to do here is acknowledge people are pushing her and try to understand their push and handle it in an adult fashion by talking it out but at every time she has proclaimed "OHH that's not reason to scumread", or "I don't understand" or "that isn't true". then says shes being unfairly treated while not explaining how she is being unfairly treated except that people push her for things she won't explain are bad and try to keep and open dialogue.

See you either agree with everything Nancy says is true, or you don't and if you don't you are being unfair and are death tunneling for no good reason.

Like a child who says that they were unpunished unfairly while you tell them what you did is wrong but won't acknowledge anything they did as wrong instead ignores it all and puts their hands over ears like you didn't say anything.

This is child behavior.


But if she can't act like a grown up and behave in a way in which we can disagree but still communicate with both of us being respectful of the other, then I don't want her in this game and I am happy she is replacing out. I don't want her to be in here if she continues to act like this. She can take her time out and go. I am not going to try to convince her that what she is doing is wrong because she isn't behaving like an adult right now so doesn't get adult treatment.

You can scumread me but you have no right to talk down to me like this. Talk about being a freaking hypocrite here.

[Ankamius]

Nancy are you replacing or not

Because if you are, you need to stop posting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Stop posting if you are replacing out or take out your replacement request. You are confusing players and the mod by still posting.

Stop telling me what to do. You don’t get to order me around!

[Krazy]

krazy i liked you better last game. You were mixing in reads with your setup spec. this game has just been setup spec and i need some reads from you

last game I felt like I had a plan that I could easily stick to, this time I feel like I need to figure out a plan to deal with what 'feels like' a scumsided setup (actual EV may not be bad)

[Nancy Drew 39]

Are you and others willing to take the trouble to try to sort me or not?

Because if you aren’t you need to just come right out and admit to it.

FIFY

[Taly]

Final post

Nancy don't be hard on yourself. It's a game but I respect if you're not in the mind to do this. If you want to continue or think you might want to, then take a mental breath.

If you're still here later I'd like to speak with you.

[Krazy]

Allomancer is a little bit lazy.

I'm kinda confused by what this had to do with Dann's post there

[Ankamius]

Oh boy.

Firebringer is right even if he wasn't polite about it. You are acting very immature currently, and posting after requesting a replacement is not only incredibly rude, but also says that you're not actually ready to leave.

Plus, if you are not intending to leave, using the replacement request for in game purposes by continuing to post after requesting replacement is just disrespectful to everybody else in the game.

You cannot have it both ways.