Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Nancy Drew 39]

hi vedith, I don't fully vibe with your reads.

Why is Allo town, Ank scum and Nancy town in your eyes?

(I mean, I vibe with Nancy read, but I want to know your line of thinking on that.)

That's fine. It's pre dance and not set in stone.
Allo has the problem where he thinks in a very small way. That black is black and white is white. Still trying to push against me me while he has no reason to as Scum. I gave him a town read and he could simply move onto someone else while still calling me Scum but instead he's just going I circles. It's been made clear that I can make unpredictable (or predictable at this point of my MS life?) Actions and he believes that I have 8 coins to my knowledge so keep poking wouldn't be good as Scum.
Originally before that I had him as town from his tone of posts and genuine Scum hunting at first. Was more interested in directly sorting the game than to have fun or let others drive the seat. I'm on phone so no quotes right now.
Overall I think he's just arrogant in thinking that town will play like Y and Scum play like X.

Ank I am finding to force the helpful posts out, since they really aren't. As I said earlier the posts are fillers and now refusing to discuss with me even though I basically dangled the role in front. Ank came on and said allo and Nancy was Scum and pushed Nancy because if a game. It actually wasn't anything more and seemed desperate.
The problem when only using meta to push someone it's an easy cop out (and yes I've done it in the past many times). I think Ank would use this to get out of being suspected.
The town reads given just seem weak and looking for support.
I do not believe that both Ank and Fire can be Scum if even either of them are.

Nancy was being heavily pushed for the weakest reasons from scumm players. The whole I'm leaving shit was NAI for me and I already had my view before. I just read her posts and reactions as something I suspect town will do.
I really hate the aggressive posts to Dr Worm as I'm feeling these are forced now but that can easily be forced by town.
Overall my town read on Nancy is a primary result from the interactions on players I don't like as town.

As I said, it's pre dance. When we have the ability to vote and discuss properly about who we are lynching I'm sure amendments will be made.

Why oh why, did I brush you off? *bangs head . . . repeatedly*

you still have me

That didn’t work out so well last time, iirc.

people change

I am a changed man

I don't beat wives anymore

That’s reassuring?

[RadiantCowbells]

Oo you like alpha male types huh

Depends on if they’re hot. Are you hot and what kind of car do you drive?

I can’t let that expensive

wedding

ball gown get dirty you know.

*bats eyelashes*

No I'm Canadian I'm pretty cold tbh

[Allomancer]

That black is black and white is white.

Yes, that's how colors work. Even in mafia, it wouldn't make sense for the town to be scum and the scum to be town though.
Overall I think he's just arrogant in thinking that town will play like Y and Scum play like X.[/quote]
Well, if we cant say that Y is towny and X is scummy how are we supposed to read anyone?

[Ankamius]

Didn't see it

Looked back and still don't see it
Ask again?

I asked what your reads were

[DoubtingThomas]

how can I title myself

[RadiantCowbells]

Any reads that I haven't already shared I have no intentions of sharing until I can sit at the game for a couple of hours and hammer things out. That'll be before sunday

[DoubtingThomas]

Any reads that I haven't already shared I have no intentions of sharing until I can sit at the game for a couple of hours and hammer things out. That'll be before sunday

who are the three lock town gents

[Allomancer]

anka what's your read on me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oo you like alpha male types huh

Depends on if they’re hot. Are you hot and what kind of car do you drive?

I can’t let that expensive

wedding

ball gown get dirty you know.

*bats eyelashes*

No I'm Canadian I'm pretty cold tbh

I especially like guys with a sense of humour. Make me laugh and I’m yours.

[DoubtingThomas]

ok nancy why did Santa Claus get arrested?

[Ankamius]

anka what's your read on me?

Null to light town

[RadiantCowbells]

Oo you like alpha male types huh

Depends on if they’re hot. Are you hot and what kind of car do you drive?

I can’t let that expensive

wedding

ball gown get dirty you know.

*bats eyelashes*

No I'm Canadian I'm pretty cold tbh

I especially like guys with a sense of humour. Make me laugh and I’m yours.

Wanna go out with me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok nancy why did Santa Claus get arrested?

Sopething he did to one of his reindeer or maybe one of the elves?

[Vedith]

That black is black and white is white.

Yes, that's how colors work. Even in mafia, it wouldn't make sense for the town to be scum and the scum to be town though.
Overall I think he's just arrogant in thinking that town will play like Y and Scum play like X.

Well, if we cant say that Y is towny and X is scummy how are we supposed to read anyone?[/quote]

I'm talking about plays. You think only town can act a certain way and only Scum can act a certain way.
You believe that what you are pushing for is correct and how you are doing it is the only correct way.
Even now you are fully missing my point because you believe that you can't be wrong here.
You're case on me being Scum is because I'm not playing how you personally want and expect me to at as town. Which is fine and all, but don't go implying I'm doing nothing this game.
That's my 2 pence on it. But it hardly matters how I see you as a player in general.

[DoubtingThomas]

ok nancy why did Santa Claus get arrested?

Sopething he did to one of his reindeer or maybe one of the elves?

He pointed at a girl and said "Ho, ho, ho"

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oo you like alpha male types huh

Depends on if they’re hot. Are you hot and what kind of car do you drive?

I can’t let that expensive

wedding

ball gown get dirty you know.

*bats eyelashes*

No I'm Canadian I'm pretty cold tbh

I especially like guys with a sense of humour. Make me laugh and I’m yours.

Wanna go out with me?

Okay. I have a preference for Canadian men. Less chance of greencard shenanigans.

[Krazy]

Preface: I don't have any super strong scum reads right now. What I have is the beginning of a poe built around a wealth of townreads. I don't particularly want to expand on my townreads right now, since I think indicating how "locktown" or "leantown" people are in my hierarchy is potentially more beneficial for scum than town. This is just where I am right now.

People I would like to see alive in second dance: PvtUrist, RadiantCowbells, Dannflor, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Gamma Emerald, Taly

Vedith -- Firebringer is a special case -- I don't strongly townlean Vedith, and am mildly annoyed at him for how he has acted since the coins thing was revealed. Firebringer I would have otherwise liked to see in second dance but I'm pretty indifferent to Firebringer doing his usual shtick of leaving the dance rn -- if she wants to, fine, if not, we can deal with it in dance 2.

That leaves me with a 4:3 for remaining reads, of which, thru the power of maths, 4 must be town, and 3 will be scum (if Vedith is town, which I'm still thinking about). Don't think I've had a full solve d1 recently, but what ya gonna do. I wanted to narrow this down to 3:2 since that is more informative for how I would like things to go in Dance 1 but frankly some of my edge reads just aren't there yet

Allomancer -- Highest of my low gents. I think Allo has been playing pretty pro-town in terms of his mech thoughts and I feel like I've usually understood where he was coming from with his reads. The scumreads I believe are primarilly tonal I believe, which suggests to me that I need to at some point sit down and meta him, because I take tonal scumreads seriously
Moment -- there is literally nothing to work with here. Given my wealth of townreads this means he is low on my list rn
DoubtingThomas -- mostly I disliked some of DoubtingThomas's reactions to Dr Worm's posts, but overall I'd say this is more null-defaultscumlean than a scumread
Dr Worm -- this is probably the slot that bothers me the most right now. I think he's funny, I think he's having fun, I'm not nearly as annoyed by him as other people are. But I think he flat lied about not being a stealth alt; based on his lexicon, thought processes, way of presenting arguments, and mechanical familiarity, this is someone who has played forum/chat mafia before and I think he deliberately downplayed his experience at the start of the game. That does not *make him lockscum*. But I would have very much preferred if he just said "I'm a stealth alt, don't mainhunt me plz guys" -- he's denied this multiple times. Maybe it's true. But there are several phrases that are specific to *this site* that he has been using so either he is a really fast learner or he has been lying about his self-meta.

Pink Ball -- I actually really liked 323 and I very nearly have thrown this into my "would like to see alive in dance 2" and just decided that there's probably 2 scum gents, 1 scum lady, but I feel like I'm just not familiar enough with the player yet to feel totally comfortable doing that. Easily the most likely town out of my bottom 7 unpaired right now though.
Alisae -- I feel like I just haven't gotten a full whiff of town Alisae yet this game but this isn't really a scumread, just haven't seen the town yet
TheBrie -- I feel like in each of her long posts there's one line I kinda dislike, so in terms of like/dislike ratio this is one of the lower players, but again I wouldn't say this is a strong scumread

[RadiantCowbells]

When are you available

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok nancy why did Santa Claus get arrested?

Sopething he did to one of his reindeer or maybe one of the elves?

He pointed at a girl and said "Ho, ho, ho"

Meh?

[Krazy]

Reminder that is my first list on d1, that is not a "deadsheep this" list

[Firebringer]

Vedith -- Firebringer is a special case -- I don't strongly townlean Vedith, and am mildly annoyed at him for how he has acted since the coins thing was revealed. Firebringer I would have otherwise liked to see in second dance but I'm pretty indifferent to Firebringer doing his usual shtick of leaving the dance rn -- if she wants to, fine, if not, we can deal with it in dance 2.

ur indfifferent to me?
WOW

Our friendship is over.

[Ankamius]

Any reads that I haven't already shared I have no intentions of sharing until I can sit at the game for a couple of hours and hammer things out. That'll be before sunday

Ok

Why did you respond the way you did to my statement about dancing with Krazy

[Krazy]

NANY didn"T REALLY read DR WORM ISO before calling HIM SCUMMMMM..

btw if people are like "waah waah krazy don't pick on the meme newguy" -- when I talk about lexicon, I don't think I've ever seen a new player use "iso" without going through newbie queue and getting familiar with site lexicon, this is not a concept familiar to people who have not played forum mafia which is one of several reasons I don't buy that this guy has only played IRL mafia which was my initial sense of his implications

[Vedith]

and am mildly annoyed at him for how he has acted since the coins thing was revealed

By saying I don't fully believe Fire about it?

[Krazy]

dr worm is def scum here

I like this post but I'd like you to expand on your reasoning