Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Nancy Drew 39]

i'm taking the day off because of rough irl circumstances pls don't pair before I can play tomorrow!

*HUGS*

Feel better soon. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Allomancer is a little bit lazy.

I feel like with TheBrie I just still have questions, like -- what did this have to do with the quoted material in that long post

Could be a good idea. But short deadlines can be annoying because I'll likely be asleep for half of it.

While this is probably true I kinda just didn't like it as a potential setup to lurk in second dance if she's still alive

so I think with TheBrie I mostly just didn't have a great first impression

I might be onboard if enough people think it's a good idea. I'm not convinced of Vedith being scum, but I'll believe those who say he can't be relied on to use his lynch power well. I'm glad I don't have anything like that.

I guess later on I still feel like she isn't really processing posts, given she was kinda agreeing with this but wasn't really thinking about *who* she would sacrifice herself to exclude. This was more a "oh I'm being kinda scumread by people, guess I could just die" response which... idk how I feel about

so yeah nothing here makes me go "zomb lockscum" but I do seem to have a shortage of reasons to townread brie at this point outside of some wifomy stuff

I don't necessarily dislike any of the positions she's taking though? So I'm not trying to demoralize her and I hope she gets into the game a bit more

Perhaps Ank is just leery of too many people scumreading her?

[Nancy Drew 39]

i'm taking the day off because of rough irl circumstances pls don't pair before I can play tomorrow!

stop standing in the way of our love

You can’t play for the same team.

[Krazy]

Perhaps Ank is just leery of too many people scumreading her?

that is the non-snarky version of the snarky comment I didn't write earlier

Ank has a thing against consensus scumreads; she feels more confident when she is going against the grain. Which is great and it's why I love her, but when we clash it tends to be about her gamestate reads which tend to follow this logic

It also does not make her wrong about TheBrie; I have very little confidence TheBrie flips scum here, so I think her comments and reads are productive and helpful for where we are right now

[Ankamius]

Nancy it was essentially me being pretty sure I should've been obvtown by then and having that many scumreads was really ominous for my odds of being able to have an effect on the gamestate outside of being an eventual policy or compromise lynch

[Ankamius]

Ank has a thing against consensus scumreads; she feels more confident when she is going against the grain. Which is great and it's why I love her, but when we clash it tends to be about her gamestate reads which tend to follow this logic

I'm curious, how many of my games have you seen?

[Taly]

i really wanted to post my readslist tonight, but its 9:30 and id rather not continue thinking about mafia this late or else im not going to sleep or focus on "night taly me-time"

so im going to unplug.

but i will definitely have my readslist out ASAP tomorrow, since ive begun listing my reasons for my reads, and my fresh brain notes have been taken.

the above sentence probably made no sense but its not a college night, but i do want to lightly check my math notes before i relax so will post tomorrow <3

[Taly]

plus, if i dont get my beauty sleep, the reasons behind my reads will be worded incoherently



it takes rest to be so articulate.

[Krazy]

I'm curious, how many of my games have you seen?

I remember reading maybe 5~6 of your games back during that Ircher game, but that was almost like 6 months ago now so if you feel like i'm being way off base you're welcome to say so

but yeah mostly I'm just thinking of our one game together

[Krazy]

Sleep well Taly <3 <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy it was essentially me being pretty sure I should've been obvtown by then and having that many scumreads was really ominous for my odds of being able to have an effect on the gamestate outside of being an eventual policy or compromise lynch

No not you, I was referring to Brie.

[Ankamius]

Well that answers somebody else anyways so I'm leaving it

[Ankamius]

I'm curious, how many of my games have you seen?

I remember reading maybe 5~6 of your games back during that Ircher game, but that was almost like 6 months ago now so if you feel like i'm being way off base you're welcome to say so

but yeah mostly I'm just thinking of our one game together

Actually it took me a bit by surprise because that's a very hard deduction to make from only the games we've played. It makes a lot more sense if you've seen most of my 2018 games since it's a bit more obvious when you see multiples of that kind of play.

I generally call it me generally being stronger when town is losing but it's kinda the same thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Here's my ISO from a skim;

-Fluff intro
-Redundent readlist
-More fluff
-Accusation vs Dann that's yet to be backed
-More fluff
-More fluff

so, I'll be needing to play better

Why did you post this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like the last line I get
The rest of it; why???

[PvtUrist]

Realised I was playing worse than I remembered

[Gamma Emerald]

well me, pvt, and dt are all town so there's that

yo maybe this is the scum team

That isn’t possible. They can’t all be all gents or all ladies. I’m assuming that since we have 9 gents to 8 ladies, probably 2 gents and 1 lady?

This isn't true??? I don't think it's too important rn anyways, whilst I'm still working on reads like I am

[TheBrie]

DT,

can you expand on townread for DT?

I don't actually want to keep harping on this but I feel like every time I have asked it's a) "gut" or b) no response whatsoever

I've got a town lean on DT, just because nothing is pinging me as scummy.

I'm coming around to Dr Worm town btw

I think the only thing you could potentially scum read him for is (maybe?) trying to antagonize Nancy, but I think he's moved on from purposefully doing that. I agree with Krazy that his line of thinking regarding the IC and making it to the 2nd dance is towny. Additionally, the scum reads against him feel automatic and lazy which makes me think he's mislynch material

You actually got a line of thinking from the Worm!?!

[TheBrie]

Allomancer is a little bit lazy.

I feel like with TheBrie I just still have questions, like -- what did this have to do with the quoted material in that long post

Dann said Allo's read on Vedith was lazy. A lot of Allo's reads have been like that. "So-and-so seems kinda scummy," but no reason.

Could be a good idea. But short deadlines can be annoying because I'll likely be asleep for half of it.

While this is probably true I kinda just didn't like it as a potential setup to lurk in second dance if she's still alive

so I think with TheBrie I mostly just didn't have a great first impression

I have no intention of lurking more than I can help, it's just that I'm in a different timezone to the majority of people, and with this game a lot can be said in that time, and I'm a little annoyed by it. Felling a little less lousy today, and I'm going to say do it how you think it works. I might have work that day though, and be incapable of being present at all, but I'm not sure. Cause 14th would the the 15th for me, and that should be clear.

I might be onboard if enough people think it's a good idea. I'm not convinced of Vedith being scum, but I'll believe those who say he can't be relied on to use his lynch power well. I'm glad I don't have anything like that.

I guess later on I still feel like she isn't really processing posts, given she was kinda agreeing with this but wasn't really thinking about *who* she would sacrifice herself to exclude. This was more a "oh I'm being kinda scumread by people, guess I could just die" response which... idk how I feel about

so yeah nothing here makes me go "zomb lockscum" but I do seem to have a shortage of reasons to townread brie at this point outside of some wifomy stuff

I don't necessarily dislike any of the positions she's taking though? So I'm not trying to demoralize her and I hope she gets into the game a bit more

I was coming more from, "I'm struggling with this game, and if dying would help, I don't care that much about living." But I don't think dying at that point would help.

And thanks. I'll do my best. But I don't see myself having time for posting more than a couple times a day.

[Alisae]

@Mod Replace me, rl circumstances say no I can't play mafia

[Firebringer]

hope everything is alright alisae.

[Krazy]

[Moment]

i really wanted to post my readslist tonight, but its 9:30 and id rather not continue thinking about mafia this late or else im not going to sleep or focus on "night taly me-time"

so im going to unplug.

but i will definitely have my readslist out ASAP tomorrow, since ive begun listing my reasons for my reads, and my fresh brain notes have been taken.

the above sentence probably made no sense but its not a college night, but i do want to lightly check my math notes before i relax so will post tomorrow <3

9:30? And here I thought

I

was being geriatric, going to bed at midnight.

Anyways, catching up again.

[FakeGod]

@Mod Replace me, rl circumstances say no I can't play mafia

Looking for replacements.

[Moment]

Felt like catching up from where I posted last time in-between reading back.

------

Am I weird for still kinda not wanting to partner up at all still

Explain to me why, again? From my relatively non-caught-up uninformed perspective, it seems you'd just be doing what Karmeleon did in Witches' Halloween Ball, not pairing out of some kind of principle, losing town out on a pairing.

------

Sigh.

I really don't want to have this Nancy Drew scumread that I have.

I have not so fond memories of you hard tunneling me in Minuet.

I'm going to copy exactly what I wrote about this subject in Forgotten Hourglass here and kindly request that you never again imply that I tunneled you in that game.

Spoiler:

Well, you were beyond convinced I was scum in Minuet. I’m not comfortable lynching there yet. I liked her comments about the Mylo wagon because she’s right about that.

1) No, I wasn't.

2) Using that as a reason to not believe me here is a logical fallacy.

3) Scum can be right about something just as easily as town can.

I actually want to expand on this because - and I really mean you no offense - Nancy is so wrong that it deserves far more words devoted to the subject.

1) No, I wasn't "beyond convinced" that you were scum in Minuet's trio. In fact, multiple times I expressed the opinion that, although I was not yet convinced that you were as town as others seemed to believe, I was more than willing to look elsewhere because there were scumreads that I were more confident on. This isn't an argument. It's not something that you can

possibly

dispute. It's literally the words that I wrote.

Speaking of those scumreads that I was more confident on, one of them happened to be Ginngie; so

even if

the idea that my reads from Minuet's Trio were reason to disregard my logic in this game, you're ignoring my reads that were

correct.

2) Your response to my entire line of reasoning was "well, you were wrong here". This is a logical fallacy. That's not to say that I'm entirely disregarding the concept of looking at someone's long-run read accuracy; however, not only is that not what you're doing, but on a case-by-case basis that wouldn't even apply here, especially given your massive sample size of one game (one game that, I might add, you selectively choose a misrepresented incorrect read from while ignoring a correct one).

If you want to directly refute what I said regarding Maria's pocketing of you, I would love that. If you want to just say "eh, I'm not convinced", I wouldn't really enjoy that, but on some level I could still understand it. Please don't insult me by responding to me with something like this.

3) This part doesn't really need that many words; if you think that agreeing with someone on a comment like "policy lynches are bad", an obvious comment on a wagon that's destined to go nowhere, or something to the same effect is a reason to townread someone - well then, perhaps you aren't so difficult to pocket as you think.

------

So yeah

I am starting to think it's better to have 2 ladies sit out than to deal with risking vedith being scum or a yolobomber

It cuts the first dance still, but it is a lot less risk and it's easier to plan around than just no lynching and trying to solve the game with the 4 extra players since we can force a large group of scummy and useless players to leave

I'm not sure I agree with the principle of this. Does it make sense to completely avoid a mechanic simply because of the chance of the worst case scenario occurring?

In any case, I somewhat doubt that 2 ladies would even agree to sit out, apart from yourself obviously. If they did up until the end, it would almost certainly indicate that they were town in the first place, anyways. Is it worth it to kill two near-assuredly town ladies and three unknown gentlemen simply to avoid the worst case scenario?

Would it even make a difference between that number of people sitting out and scum quicklynching, in terms of the number of people dead?