Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Nancy Drew 39]

like if Moment is just going to be completely inactive in your PT, like he is in thread, why wouldn't you just continue sorting and playing the game?

I'm not "inactive" this game. I have a reasonable level of activity for any game other than one in which upwards of thirty posts are made every twenty four hours and I resent the implication otherwise.

In no way can I be called inactive. Sorry that I don't have a three page ISO and respond to every garbage post in the thread like Nancy Drew does. My first post in this game came before I would even be in prod range and there were already 35 posts.

[Taly]

If anyone feels pessimistic about the game, then they should probably give it a break, otherwise they're just mixing emotionally counterproductive thoughts into the game narrative.

Like I think people are forgetting that RC literally said that he would specifically look to get me lynched once the dance starts, and yet there is enough support for me to get a relatively town partner that having that go down would be even worse than both of us dying at the start of first dance.

What part of this is specific to

RC's scumrange

?

To an extent, you're letting your pre-game disconnect muddle your thinking, and I think my indignation is pretty well-justified.

???

Do you think my reasoning is inherently wrong?

Your reasons are valid, but I don't see why you're pairing with

RC

if you're entertaining leaving in the first place?

And if I'm wrong here, then your reasons for your scumread(or read at all) on RC and the reason you paired with him are both unclear to me.

IF WE ARE BOTH TOWN

THEN US NOT PAIRING TOGETHER IS ALSO BAD FOR THE GAME

So... You don't actually have a definite read on

RC

?

This is a yes or no question.

[Vedith]

Why? I think the game just got lost.

Attitude like this to 1 pairing, I can see why the game was restarted from so many replace outs.
That's a magnificent 4 from me!

[Moment]

Moment what do your reads looks like currently?

{Dannflor, Dr Worm, Vedith, Ankamius, Firebringer, SS, TheBrie, Taly} town.

That leaves {PvtUrist, Krazy, RC, Allomancer, DT, Nancy, Gamma, Pink Ball}.

[Allomancer]

Can everyone in their next post rank the ladies and gentlemen from towniest to least? Give reasons for top 4 at least

Gents

Allo
Thomas
Moment
Urist
Krazy
Dann
Worm
Vedith
RC

Ladies

Taly
fb
Ank
TheBrie
PB
GE
SS
ND

[Vedith]

Worm
Vedith

Beaten by a worm! AN ACTUAL WORM!

[Ankamius]

So... You don't actually have a definite read on

RC

?

This is a yes or no question.

Not now, no

I thought RCs reentrance into the game today was incredibly scummy, the pairing and post-pairing content is just pushing it more towards the null line.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

RC here's what I'm confused about, not going into your scumread on me which I mentioned is really fucking weird.

If your other wolfreads are not going to reach endgame, why are you that opposed to pairing with me since you can ensure I die that way?

Thats dissonance and I really really REALLY do not like that

RC is probably scum.

It's kind of telling that your stance on it is that you don't want to match someone with scum equity instead.

I don't townread ankamius and I'm going to be hard angling to kill her in first dance while I'm definitively alive to make it happen tbh

All my other wolfread aren't going to endgsney

Then what is this RC

What does that matter? Either I'm getting to endgame or I'm not. Which is it?

You literally said you "all my other wolfreads aren't getting to endgame"

And then you say you won't pair with me because I won't get to endgame.

How is any of that disingenuous.

yeah I didn't have any of my own reasons for that nancy

Don’t you think I could have gotten through to him? But everyone always underestimates me. I hydra’d with RC. I would have been able to convince him. What I forsee happening is that based on what I’ve seen so far, the two of you, will just implode. Prove me wrong. Taly is completely right to be pissed.

[Ankamius]

Your reasons are valid, but I don't see why you're pairing with

RC

if you're entertaining leaving in the first place?

I get where this confusion came from.

That changed when I started getting a sense of where the gamestate was at and how scum were fitting into it. I'm pretty confident now that I'll still be able to make a difference towards building a winning gametstate for town even without making it past first dance.

[Taly]

So... You don't actually have a definite read on

RC

?

This is a yes or no question.

Not now, no

I thought RCs reentrance into the game today was incredibly scummy, the pairing and post-pairing content is just pushing it more towards the null line.

Then I'm at a loss at trying to understand your read progression on him, but focusing on this now isn't helpful because you and

RC

are NO longer partner opportunities even WHEN both of you haven't FULLY analyzed and made a stance in this game.

I need a break from this conversation and I need to respond to other posts here, and finally pump out a readslist so I can have a shred of coherency.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why? I think the game just got lost.

Attitude like this to 1 pairing, I can see why the game was restarted from so many replace outs.
That's a magnificent 4 from me!

In what world am I wrong here? Do you honestly think that the two of them, just by magically sharing a PT, is suddenly going to change their reads on each other?

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

RC here's what I'm confused about, not going into your scumread on me which I mentioned is really fucking weird.

If your other wolfreads are not going to reach endgame, why are you that opposed to pairing with me since you can ensure I die that way?

Thats dissonance and I really really REALLY do not like that

RC is probably scum.

It's kind of telling that your stance on it is that you don't want to match someone with scum equity instead.

I don't townread ankamius and I'm going to be hard angling to kill her in first dance while I'm definitively alive to make it happen tbh

All my other wolfread aren't going to endgsney

Then what is this RC

What does that matter? Either I'm getting to endgame or I'm not. Which is it?

You literally said you "all my other wolfreads aren't getting to endgame"

And then you say you won't pair with me because I won't get to endgame.

How is any of that disingenuous.

yeah I didn't have any of my own reasons for that nancy

Don’t you think I could have gotten through to him? But everyone always underestimates me. I hydra’d with RC. I would have been able to convince him. What I forsee happening is that based on what I’ve seen so far, the two of you, will just implode. Prove me wrong. Taly is completely right to be pissed.

honestly, I have no real qualms of working with him if he decides to try to work with me, and I've already stated multiple times that at the very least, I'm not going to consider suiciding until we reach second dance (and more than likely, it would probably be when there's only 3 pairings left or roughly that ballpark if I do at all).

the bigger pressing issue with that is that he is so convinced of his scumread of me that he's willing to suicide

at the start of first dance

to take me out.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Can everyone in their next post rank the ladies and gentlemen from towniest to least? Give reasons for top 4 at least

Gents

Allo
Thomas
Moment
Urist
Krazy
Dann
Worm
Vedith
RC

Ladies

Taly
fb
Ank
TheBrie
PB
GE
SS
ND

<3

[Taly]

Nancy

, say something positive or game-advancing and people will be more apt to listen.

Not that you're not doing this - but when you post something like

"this game is lost"

then it's a disconnect and a source for people to think you're producing a scum narrative.

[Krazy]

Nancy, I suggested Ank/RC because I was proposing it as a final 10 pairing.

So saying I suggested RC pair Ank for them to divebomb each other is unfair.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Your reasons are valid, but I don't see why you're pairing with

RC

if you're entertaining leaving in the first place?

I get where this confusion came from.

That changed when I started getting a sense of where the gamestate was at and how scum were fitting into it. I'm pretty confident now that I'll still be able to make a difference towards building a winning gametstate for town even without making it past first dance.

How so?

[Ankamius]

So... You don't actually have a definite read on

RC

?

This is a yes or no question.

Not now, no

I thought RCs reentrance into the game today was incredibly scummy, the pairing and post-pairing content is just pushing it more towards the null line.

Then I'm at a loss at trying to understand your read progression on him, but focusing on this now isn't helpful because you and

RC

are NO longer partner opportunities even WHEN both of you haven't FULLY analyzed and made a stance in this game.

I need a break from this conversation and I need to respond to other posts here, and finally pump out a readslist so I can have a shred of coherency.

I only pressed the issue because RC specifically tried to sidestep the issue when I asked him about that dissonance instead of giving me a straight answer

[Vedith]

In what world am I wrong here? Do you honestly think that the two of them, just by magically sharing a PT, is suddenly going to change their reads on each other?

I don't care if Ank convinces RC that she's the Easter bunny, the fact people are dramatically over reacting to something and giving the town a massive negative attitude to already losing, or town being doomed is fucking tragic.
Even if they walk dance 1, dance 2, dance 15 or whatever, it doesn't mean shit right now.

[Ankamius]

Your reasons are valid, but I don't see why you're pairing with

RC

if you're entertaining leaving in the first place?

I get where this confusion came from.

That changed when I started getting a sense of where the gamestate was at and how scum were fitting into it. I'm pretty confident now that I'll still be able to make a difference towards building a winning gametstate for town even without making it past first dance.

How so?

I don't think I'm that far off with my reads

the problem is more who in my PoE list is actually scum and who is just town that I can't see as town yet

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

RC here's what I'm confused about, not going into your scumread on me which I mentioned is really fucking weird.

If your other wolfreads are not going to reach endgame, why are you that opposed to pairing with me since you can ensure I die that way?

Thats dissonance and I really really REALLY do not like that

RC is probably scum.

It's kind of telling that your stance on it is that you don't want to match someone with scum equity instead.

I don't townread ankamius and I'm going to be hard angling to kill her in first dance while I'm definitively alive to make it happen tbh

All my other wolfread aren't going to endgsney

Then what is this RC

What does that matter? Either I'm getting to endgame or I'm not. Which is it?

You literally said you "all my other wolfreads aren't getting to endgame"

And then you say you won't pair with me because I won't get to endgame.

How is any of that disingenuous.

yeah I didn't have any of my own reasons for that nancy

Don’t you think I could have gotten through to him? But everyone always underestimates me. I hydra’d with RC. I would have been able to convince him. What I forsee happening is that based on what I’ve seen so far, the two of you, will just implode. Prove me wrong. Taly is completely right to be pissed.

honestly, I have no real qualms of working with him if he decides to try to work with me, and I've already stated multiple times that at the very least, I'm not going to consider suiciding until we reach second dance (and more than likely, it would probably be when there's only 3 pairings left or roughly that ballpark if I do at all).

the bigger pressing issue with that is that he is so convinced of his scumread of me that he's willing to suicide

at the start of first dance

to take me out.

But by pairing up with him, you’ve handed him that power, don’t you see? Had he paired with me OTOH, he would have not had the power to take you out, because then he’d actually have had to persuade people to lynch you.

[Ankamius]

But by pairing up with him, you’ve handed him that power, don’t you see? Had he paired with me OTOH, he would have not had the power to take you out, because then he’d actually have had to persuade people to lynch you.

even if he doesn't actually succeed with that, it's still a huge diversion and you should know me well enough that I'm not going to just let him get away with that without getting up in his face back

that's essentially the same thing, except with a lot more thread vomit attached

[Taly]

RC/Ank

can be town/town...

I actually had a good reason to think

RC

was town and debated offering him a dance tomorrow or later had

Krazy

gone with someone like

Nancy

.

Ank

no longer makes sense as scum or town to me; but I think only town would make me feel this way.

[Ankamius]

like

sorry for creating this situation and pissing a lot of you off

but I don't regret this, I think that it's better to have the damage be isolated to pre-dance rather than take over first dance.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy

, say something positive or game-advancing and people will be more apt to listen.

Not that you're not doing this - but when you post something like

"this game is lost"

then it's a disconnect and a source for people to think you're producing a scum narrative.

I’m upset because I think they’re going to take each other out in 1st Dance, where as had they partnered with others, they’d have to convince others, so that would have been a lot less likely to happen, so I think we’re losing likely two top towns, right off the bat, so I don’t understand why people are telling me not to feel pessimistic about that.

[Ankamius]

a better focus is to get two pairings as close to locktown as possible, that way it's still genuinely hard for scum to win this game

you don't need a huge amount of scumhunting power as long as the post-intermission gamestate is not in a bad spot