Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[DoubtingThomas]

by some miracle you post whenever i am in the thread which is a rare occasion

Here is the lie. You say I post when you're in the thread, which SHOULD make the inverse true (you post when I'm in the thread). Despite this I remember 0 of your posting. So that does not compute.

dude i am nto fucking lying. maybe you can iso me and see how many times i saw your post/commented about you which is a lot in terms of how many different times i entered the thread (only 3, 4 days tbh)

[Something_Smart]

Here is the lie. You say I post when you're in the thread, which SHOULD make the inverse true (you post when I'm in the thread). Despite this I remember 0 of your posting. So that does not compute.

Not necessarily. Some people are really forgettable.

[DoubtingThomas]

Yelling at you for calling him scum.

unreal read

is it cuz u scum read me or because her 'emotion' was real?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was a little shy @Krazy

[Gamma Emerald]

Here is the lie. You say I post when you're in the thread, which SHOULD make the inverse true (you post when I'm in the thread). Despite this I remember 0 of your posting. So that does not compute.

Not necessarily. Some people are really forgettable.

I agree but claiming something like that makes sirens blare for me.

[Krazy]

I was a little shy @Krazy

damn wish you'd said it, I would have LOVED to see Gamma Emerald fight Nancy Drew for my hand!

[Something_Smart]

Yelling at you for calling him scum.

unreal read

is it cuz u scum read me or because her 'emotion' was real?

Latter. I wouldn't expect scum in the already precarious position she is in to be making more enemies.

[Krazy]

Gamma who should be your beau?

[Allomancer]

inb4 Allo and SS both flip town

Wtf is this supposed to mean?

it's pretty clear what it means. Urist thinks both me and you are town. I disagree.

[Gamma Emerald]

Could you not spam the thread
FOR FIVE MINUTES?

scummy

Your remaining options are TheBrie, Gamma Emerlad, and Something_Smart

Do you have strong reads are any of the three?

i dont even remember reading something_smart

i dont think i liked gamma's pop ins like 3 / 3 times ive read her posts but i only read 3 of her posts lol

TheBrie uhhhhh i read her posts but then i forgot what they were about

i think if i see her avatar i can remember the general vibe ive gotten from her previously

wheres gamma

All direct mentions before this interaction. Its consistent with the story, but I still fail to understand how one can claim to be in the thread so close to when I am and miss me entirely. Missed Him By That Much is beyond my Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma who should be your beau?

Well I'm not pairing with DT lol. Dr. Worm would have been a good second imo but that's also taken. Out of the rest I need to look over Moment, Allo maybe, and Urist I guess I'd be okay with.

[Krazy]

Well some people were talking about leaving Allo out of the dance so if you have a strong tr there you should convince us

I believe in you Gamma! Find at least one town in those three! Is Moment Town? Is Urist? Let's find out in this week's episode of -- Who is Gamma going to the dance with?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well some people were talking about leaving Allo out of the dance so if you have a strong tr there you should convince us

I believe in you Gamma! Find at least one town in those three! Is Moment Town? Is Urist? Let's find out in this week's episode of -- Who is Gamma going to the dance with?

[Gamma Emerald]

Moment you still haven't answered the question I asked you a while back.

[PvtUrist]

Intro; already felt off/ungenuine by the second post, don't know what 33 meant.

Spoiler: 29, 30, 33

Hello, ladies and gentlemen!

Here's hoping this isn't a high school drama redux

I don't have a car but I look good in a suit and I'll buy you flowers

A little out of my element, I can't adopt my usual strategy of standing by the food and swaying occasionally.

Cute comments that does nothing for the game, this doesn't stop happening either.

Spoiler: 40, 49

You're a bit of a player, aren't you?

Vedith is starting to remind me of every bad boyfriend I’ve ever had.

But maybe this time you can change him!

NAI mech talk;

Spoiler: 60, 70, 78, 89, 94

To add to what Taly said, pairs should probably be decided near end of the pre-dance so we have the most info when making them. ...or we just pick a date we think is cute.

I mean ladies know how many coins they have yea? Can we just pair town read gents with high coin ladies, or am I missing something?

The idea of “do no sorting pre-dance” seems all sorts of wrong. If we keep coin mechanics in mind when we make our pairings I think we’re safeish?

The risk is pairing Mafia men with high coin ladies, yea? Is the solution not to claim coin totals and keep those in mind when making our town pairings (if we scum read the high coin ladies it could make the pairs messy but it would help eliminate the risk)?

Pedit: I’ll think about it more when I get home at a computer. There’s merit to discussing this, but my gut feeling is we shouldn’t just throw out reads for the first half of the game

More NAI mech talk;

Spoiler: 94, 106, 110, 113

I think reads can still be pulled out of pre-dance well, it’ll just be a little harder and take more time than a normal game due to all the fluff

1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing

I like this quite a bit

No lynching after the first day also gets us down to an odd number of pairs after the NK, yea?

So if I'm focusing a lot on setup spec rather than reads right now, it's because *one scenario in setup spec means we don't even talk about reads* which I know sounds really counter-intuitive and maybe dumb.

I'm not following that scum have as much power as you say they do in the first dance, even considering worst possible scenario coin totals. Won't the orchestration of a lynch on a pair that's been universally agreed to be town essentially reveal the entire scum team?

Like if town agrees on the town pairs, then it'd be obvious if one of them gets lynched by the scum team

Complains of fluff when his own posts are NAI. Townread on Vedith.

Spoiler: 211

I agree that high coin ladies should claim since I did it last game

But I vehemently deny that skipping first dance is a good idea in any stretch

I agree

Dann is a scumread too btw

I disagree

He's done nothing that's town and the way he's dancing around the setup discussion feels too "scum trying to post a lot to hide how little they're saying" for my taste

A lot of people are posting a lot, very few people have said anything of value.

Vedith’s self preservation is town, also

Gets called out for posts that don't advance the game.

Spoiler: 213, 218

Your posting specifically is wooden and doesn't even look to be advancing that discussion like everybody else's is

Why is that if you are town?

Well I disagree my posting is wooden

I think the setup discussion was necessary to have and get out of the way early. I disagree everyone else is advancing discussion, in fact there’s been a lot of redundant posts/discussion along the lines of what you’re criticizing me for. I’ll explain what I mean when I get home

First readlist;

Spoiler: 237, 268, 307

Vedith is seeming kinda scummy here.

This is scummy

I didn’t find it scummy because you didn’t supply reasoning, Allomancer. That’s a bit of a leap. I’ll explain when I get home because my phone is about to die

I don't like this because it's a lazy read. I don't like the "seeming kinda" wording to begin with, but aside from that, I think scum reading Vedith is easy but doesn't really make sense if you think about it. I don't think scum shows as much desperation to get a dance as he does. Worst case scenario, scum can buddy and pair up if they have to. Probably not optimal, but their strategy is probably closer to pocketing one person and not really worrying about being the odd man out. The motivation behind that behavior (even joking behavior) comes from town imo

Also, I don't like Allomancer's immediate defensiveness of not justifying his reads and pointing to previous games as "look I'm matching my town meta!" Doesn't seem like a town response

I think Vedith, Gamma, Ankamius, and Alisae are town

Don't like Allomancer, Nancy or Tally tbh

Krazy is mixed but leaning town

tl;dr Initial posts are fluff disguised as mech talk. Agenda of appealing rather than actually benefitting town. Intro is NAI/scum-lean.

[PvtUrist]

Scumreads Nancy and Taly for "empty posts", which ofcourse is unlike what he's been posting.

Spoiler: 312, 315, 318

Nancy, what are your reads at this point?

Because you ask a lot of (imo seemingly empty) questions but don't seem to be following through/drawing any conclusions from them.

Because he didn’t state a reason for his Vedith scumread?

Why is this such a sticking point? No one ever said not stating reasons was scummy, that's not what this is about

Spoiler: 331

Why not Taly? He seemed pretty damned townie to me?

ISO is surface level fine, but it's mostly just repeating and restating stuff that has already been said and asking some empty questions.

Implys that he doesn't scumread Nancy,

Spoiler: 339

Nancy, what are your reads at this point?

Because you ask a lot of (imo seemingly empty) questions but don't seem to be following through/drawing any conclusions from them.

Could you answer this?

Mostly, I consider asking a lot of questions without there being an actual point to them a scum tell. Also, your weird defense of yourself saying you're only being scum read because you town read Allomancer? I don't think anyone said that and it's a weird conclusion to jump to. It doesn't correlate with people saying you seem off

So what's this then?

Spoiler: 325

Okay, so apparently I’m scum for not automatically being convinced Allo’s scum here, got it.,

No. That's not at all why I scum read you.

[Pink Ball]

Are you still scumreading DanceFloor, PvtUrist?? Oh, you!!

[Pink Ball]

Let's do this instead: find his partners and I'll give you a cookie. Maybe two. 'cause you're not getting him lynched while dancing with Nancyng

[Taly]

skimmed up the thread... last thoughts of the day

ugh. I get and feel all the points on

Allo

-scum but then he makes posts like 3245 and I'm like

"well damn, if this flips town, I'm going to feel stupid as fuck"

, and I think ANYONE who townreads

Allo

should towncase him.

Right now, I don't know who I'd rather leave out in the dance, but I do still think

DT/TheBrie

are the towniest of their role pools, and thus, top priority to pair.

Not as sure about

Gamma

right now, they've been the least effective out of the lower posters in the thread tonight - but this is based off skimming.

I don't get the constant

PvtUrist V Dannflor

dichotomy bullshit being made, but it doesn't feel natural anymore; I don't want to cultivate more uncertainty over those two, but the TvT vibe about them has partially dissipated - I need to sleep on this.

(Pink, you townread them both, yes? Help me here.)

I think anyone pointing major scumreads right now versus thinking about pairs deserve an eyebrow raise. Might not be scum-indicative, but unhelpful.

[Something_Smart]

Let's do this instead: find his partners and I'll give you a cookie.

This is a terrible idea please don't do this.

Don't scumhunt off of associatives with living players.

(And before anyone says anything, no this is not what I did with Allo and Dann.)

[PvtUrist]

fml closed a post to ninja

[PvtUrist]

I don't get the constant

PvtUrist V Dannflor

dichotomy bullshit being made, but it doesn't feel natural anymore; I don't want to cultivate more uncertainty over those two, but the TvT vibe about them has partially dissipated

Good. That's the intention.

[Taly]

I don't get the constant

PvtUrist V Dannflor

dichotomy bullshit being made, but it doesn't feel natural anymore; I don't want to cultivate more uncertainty over those two, but the TvT vibe about them has partially dissipated

Good. That's the intention.

In what world is this town-motivated?

[Krazy]

I think anyone pointing major scumreads right now versus thinking about pairs deserve an eyebrow raise. Might not be scum-indicative, but unhelpful.

I feel like the two go hand-in-hand don't they?

Thinking about the bottom pairing directly effects how we imagine dance 1 playing out

also kinda confused why you'd be annoyed that Pvt finally did something this game

[PvtUrist]

Let's do this instead: find his partners and I'll give you a cookie. Maybe two.

'cause you're not getting him lynched while dancing with Nancyn

g

and that furthers my issue with mech that I've previously explained.