Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[RadiantCowbells]

you're playing against the town by agreeing to leave but if you're not you're a scum so we're going to make you leave anyway

Yeah, you yourself are aware this is the exact argument people would make, which is why I would have preferred you not make it in the first place.

I did not have a strong read on you, and I still do NOT have a strong read on you, but if you had wanted to be read objectively, why would you make it as hard as possible to do that?

can you just

take the word of the person who probably has the best ability to predict how people react to posts

and believe me when i say that i would be scumread with or without that line of play

[RadiantCowbells]

i think that trying to bring myself to endgame is tempting fate and i think that whether i go at start of dance 1 or some other point is irrelevant. i think my entire game makes complete sense in that approach.

[Krazy]

You are threatening to leave the dance because YOU ASSUME you will not be recognized as an endgame pairing because YOU PAIRED ANK in the worst, most AtE-filled way

And now you are coming in and deciding you are playing the game while still threatening to leave the dance

So what the fuck

[Ankamius]

Krazy I really think you aren't helping here

[Krazy]

I feel like half this list either hasn't played with you before or was townreading you

Why are you assuming your scumgame is some over-deterministic force that must determine how you play your towngame?

The only person casting shade about you in regard to your ability is S_S and he's probably scum or something anyway

[Ankamius]

i think that trying to bring myself to endgame is tempting fate and i think that whether i go at start of dance 1 or some other point is irrelevant. i think my entire game makes complete sense in that approach.

what do I have to do to convince you I'm not going to leave without very good reason to?

[RadiantCowbells]

You are threatening to leave the dance because YOU ASSUME you will not be recognized as an endgame pairing because YOU PAIRED ANK in the worst, most AtE-filled way

And now you are coming in and deciding you are playing the game while still threatening to leave the dance

So what the fuck

me: i want to leave the dance because im not an endgame pairing
you: how dare you threaten ot leave with one of my townreads
me: ok i'll stay but i dont think im a viable endgame pairing
you: see this is is so wolfy we should lynch you
me: ok this is why i want to leave the dance because im not an endgame pairing

[PvtUrist]

I'm feeling one/both of you are missing eachothers points here

[RadiantCowbells]

and uh yeah

i'm giving thoughts on pairings because everyone got mad at me because i said i wanted to just check out of the game

thoughts, not mandates.

[Krazy]

Krazy I really think you aren't helping here

I chose not to leave the queue despite RC pairing because I thought I could make a good faith effort to maybe play with him

and I chose not to replace out of the game because I yolo replaced out last time

But I do not know at this point why I would continue playing with RC with the way he plays

Maybe it's fine and I'm just pissed off over a disagreement in strategy

But I feel like he came in, bitched about pairings, yolo-paired to suicide, and is making it really fucking complicated for people who want to scumhunt to even do that when we don't even know how many lynches we get in first dance. I guess 1?

It's just really tilting

[PvtUrist]

me: i want to leave the dance because im not an endgame pairing

Why not?

you: see this is is so wolfy we should lynch you

I don't recall seeing Krazy ever implying this.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok krazy

in your ideal world what do u want me to do right now

[Ankamius]

Krazy I really think you aren't helping here

I chose not to leave the queue despite RC pairing because I thought I could make a good faith effort to maybe play with him

and I chose not to replace out of the game because I yolo replaced out last time

But I do not know at this point why I would continue playing with RC with the way he plays

Maybe it's fine and I'm just pissed off over a disagreement in strategy

But I feel like he came in, bitched about pairings, yolo-paired to suicide, and is making it really fucking complicated for people who want to scumhunt to even do that when we don't even know how many lynches we get in first dance. I guess 1?

It's just really tilting

RC is making an attempt to help push the gamestate forward

yelling at him about the incident happening in the first place isn't going to get anybody anywhere

[Krazy]

me: ok this is why i want to leave the dance because im not an endgame pairing

but I literally don't see why you could not have been an endgame pairing if you didn't just yolo dance with someone because they briefly omgus'd you

like you could have just kept your chill for a little bit dude

and now you're like "These are the endgame pairings" before we have any flips when you are yourself preventing us from the highest chance of getting a redflip before second dance

and also making it certain you don't get shot which dramatically increases either me/taly or nancy/dann getting shot

like I appreciate the shade and the scumread but I think you've made it dramatically harder for me to generate an endgame block since you and ank were supposed to be in it

[Krazy]

in your ideal world what do u want me to do right now

say who we lynch in dance 1 that isn't you/ank

[Ankamius]

and RC isn't being aggressive at you at all

idk if you're scum trying to stop us from reconciling or if this is just true emotion pouring out, but taking it out on him in the latter case isn't helping

[RadiantCowbells]

i would consider it phenomenally unsafe to have me as an endgame pairing in a game where ankamius was gonna tunnel me and ankamius was the optimal pair option in that position fmpov

[Ankamius]

i would consider it phenomenally unsafe to have me as an endgame pairing in a game where ankamius was gonna tunnel me and ankamius was the optimal pair option in that position fmpov

like this isn't a read disagreement

this is a mechanically I think that our time of dying is inconsequential unless there's a world in which we don't die at all

I think I'd only paranoiakill you if you specifically refused to work with anybody for the whole game

otherwise I'd have to get a strong scumread to leave

RC I'm not going to leave unless the rest of the town specifically wants it :S

i think that trying to bring myself to endgame is tempting fate and i think that whether i go at start of dance 1 or some other point is irrelevant. i think my entire game makes complete sense in that approach.

what do I have to do to convince you I'm not going to leave without very good reason to?

[Krazy]

If we get a red flip in dance 1, it is highly likely we can just get a solid week extra week of discussion without me wondering whether there's going to be some yolo juke every time I close the thread

which is why I want us to actually hit red between the exclusion and the first lynch

but everything you're saying is "I'm leaving" which means we will be sitting with Vedith able to instantly hammer and what is statistically likely to be three green flips

and I do not know how to play dance 1 at that point

[PvtUrist]

and RC isn't being aggressive at you at all

Again, don't think Krazy ever implied this.

[Krazy]

Fine dude

But maybe

Just say "I will not leave until dance 2"

so that town can discuss what actually should happen in dance 1 in a way that isn't stupid and unfun?

[Ankamius]

and RC isn't being aggressive at you at all

Again, don't think Krazy ever implied this.

he didn't

but krazy being aggressive with him is unnecessary with that in mind

[Krazy]

Like you are continuing to play as though the coins are completely irrelevant

while saying you will leave the dance

this giving me the ability to force no lynch immediately after you leave, given I have 7 coins

so if I am scum, RC, maybe you should not be leaving the dance and giving me the ability to do that?

[RadiantCowbells]

why would i... care if you forced no lynch though lol

[RadiantCowbells]

do u understand why i give 0 fucks about that