Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Ankamius]

Fun fact, Pink Ball said something earlier that made me think he might have been Alchemist :lol:

I'll be here later tonight if anyone wants to talk to me. I would like Krazy to take a moment and reflect on the possible reasons I might be playing differently from Excalibur, other than my alignment being different.

Interesting note: It seemed to me that in the past few days the public opinion on me has shifted significantly. Whether or not that's actually the case, the thread created that impression with multiple influential people pretty much simultaneously saying either they townread me or they were reevaluating their scumread on me. It's almost a foregone conclusion that scum would have expected me to be mislynched at some point in time, so I expected that scum might push back against me being townread.

The two people who have done this are Gamma and Krazy.

Am I naive for townreading this post

I kinda feel like this is the type of post I townread regardless of what alignment it comes from

[RadiantCowbells]

i have townread most of the posts SS has made this game

[Ankamius]

But am I naive for townreading that specific one

[RadiantCowbells]

no i think its a towny post

[Ankamius]

Ok

That slot is redeeming for me then

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Mod, exactly how much time is left in this phase?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Mod, exactly how much time is left in this phase?

[Ankamius]

We have roughly 2 days Nancy

[FakeGod]

@Mod, exactly how much time is left in this phase?

about 42 hours left

[Nancy Drew 39]

We have roughly 2 days Nancy

@Mod, exactly how much time is left in this phase?

about 42 hours left

We still need 6 more ladies and gents to pair up, so we avoid yololynching.

This isn’t good. :/

[Taly]

... I've rewritten this post maybe 3 times today so it feels like I've made concerns clear to you guys that haven't been addressed yet I haven't said anything... lol

With the lack of initiative with unpaired people at the moment

(or it could just be their scheduling)

, I might as well say my thoughts. I looked at my readnotes and did some ISO skims.

S_S

is the towniest unpaired person to me at the moment. Not a lot of posts strike me as town, but the ones that do, are things that I can't foresee scum saying in this gamestate.

I still want someone to speak to me about their

Moment

townread because I'm not sold yet. Although,

Moment+S_S

sound like a good idea because their read progression on each other is town and I believe it's natural.

Krazy's

towncase on

Gamma

is both short and without strong townpoints, not something I vibe with. I'm wanting to work with

Gamma

on his perception about the game but he's not done much aside from putting reads out and showing frustration when people want him to do more.

DT+Brie

townreads are a bit less confident now but they're the only other current pairing right now that I think works.
I don't know if I'll advocate for this pairing, though.

Which would still leave

Urist, Allo, and Gamma

, though.

Urist

is still scum to me since I can see my earlier listed townpoints be applicable to scum. I dislike how the thread has virtually brushed

Allo's

entire existence off, but I don't feel strongly about him any other way, and I don't want to push

Gamma

because his response today was a reason why I didn't want to plan or talk about pairs much at all anymore.

So there's my low-weight pairing suggestions.

Moment+S_S

at top ONLY if they consent, maybe

TheBrie+DT

and

Gamma+Allo or Urist

[Pink Ball]

i swear i get mislynched over the dumbest shit possible at the times i do

i dont even know why i was even scumread in the first place in SC2

i dont work well when towns knowingly stab at themselves saying "AM I CATCHING SCUM? AM I CATCHING SCUM!?"

my only regret was not pushing my 2 correct votes on scum

(Alch/Pint)

, but it was hard to do that when i was deathtunneled by a hydra i townread

(love you STW)

and literally half the people who knew me in the game was comparing me to my LABYRINTH GAMEPLAY.

UGH. GTFO.

im not salty at all anymore tbh, but you know.

i had to get some unfiltered thoughts out it was a good game until i... flaked but gg scum in that game and ty again for modding

Krazy

<3

Scum focused hard on your slot, that's what happened.

[Taly]

just checking

are people reading my wallposts the past 2 days?

[Something_Smart]

Point me to a towngame where you do this little setup spec discussion then

Sure...? Here. Here. Here. I'm pretty sure I did more setup spec in this game than in any of those except maybe the worst idea, because the setups didn't require it... I'm pretty sure I've talked about everything about this setup that wasn't already covered. The amount of setup spec required varies depending on the game.

And maybe stop playing guessing games and saying that every fos that comes your way is bias over being a replacement.

Well, only a few people had cited a reason, so it's a pretty reasonable assumption, or at the very least it's a starting suggestion which people could refute by giving other reasons why they scumread my slot. Not many people actually did that.

It seems like you've spent this game more being indignant over being scumread than in sorting, although it's possible your indignation and omgusing just sticks in my memory better

Out of 100+ posts I have maybe five where I'm asking why I'm being scumread, I think I have a right to that especially since the answers were not very forthcoming.

And I don't really think I've OMGUSed at all before right now.

[Taly]

krazy

talk to me about your reads bb

[RadiantCowbells]

i read it but i mostly just read it to <3 your moment/ss pairing

[Krazy]

wheres thebrie

I'm trying to actually live life as well as playing this game.


Looking at DT's ISO, I'm not particularly impressed. I can't follow him. I know the reason for three of his reads. Taly, Krazy, Moment. I just see lots of words, and questions, and not much reasoning. And I like reasoning. So Thomas, do you mind telling why you think Vedith is town? He's a player I'm having trouble getting even a gut read on.

Looking at Moment, I think he's honestly getting snowed under by the number of posts. I like his posts style. Neat, tidy, points seem logical to me. But I've got him closer to null now. The content isn't inherently towny, though I don't feel an agenda in it.

Moment, Why the scum reads on Gamma and PinkBall?

DoubtingThomas and Pvturist haven't asked me though, and Moment and Allo have. Still stuck between them. So if people want to be helpful, they can tell me why I should go with one of the other, or why I should hold out for another invitation.

Good night.

@Taly I guess I'm kinda at a loss irt DT/Brie given that DT is acting like Brie "isn't townreading him" and looking back I get the sense that Brie wants him to actually show his reasoning more. Unless Brie is assuming she immediately gets lynched and she doesn't need to be in a PT, I understand her desire to be with someone she can work with. I don't want to force pairings off towniness if those reads don't align with the player having fun however long they have left. I don't believe Brie has written off Allo, and hers is the position that matters at the moment.

I do think that instead of pushing DT/Brie it would maybe be more productive to actually ask "why not Allo/Brie"?

Rest assured I am definitely reading your wallposts <3

[Dannflor]

You haven't made 7 wallposts about coins which I take to be a scumclaim for you



Point me to a towngame where you do this little setup spec discussion then

And maybe stop playing guessing games and saying that every fos that comes your way is bias over being a replacement. It seems like you've spent this game more being indignant over being scumread than in sorting, although it's possible your indignation and omgusing just sticks in my memory better

@Krazy this feels pretty icky to me

I haven't played with S_S before so I don't know how valid the claims about his meta are but your comment about coin wall posts just feels awful considering that's literally how you entered the game. Regardless of meta, I doubt setup spec is ever alignment indicative and framing this in such a way to imply he's scum for not doing setup spec just feels like a weird angle to take. Mostly because that's how you entered the game and a couple people initially town read you for it. IDK where I'm going with this, it's just weird and I don't really think you're scum but your scum read on S_S feels weird enough that I think it may warrant rereading or something because it doesn't seem genuine (maybe you're just conf biasing)

Plus, your second talking point about him being aware about his scum reads comes directly from Doubting_Thomas, and you haven't mentioned it at all before so idk where you are pulling "indignation and omgusing" from

[Krazy]

krazy

talk to me about your reads bb

I just wrote and deleted like two paragraphs on Gamma lol. I feel like I'm not sure, but my gut is telling me I should maybe be defending her as town more here... idk weird feelings over all. I don't think my case earlier was very convincing but I disagree that shading Worm/Moment was wolfy. My reasons for townreading Gamma probably aren't very convincing to anyone that isn't me, and I'm not even sure myself.

What other reads you want?

[Taly]

I still want someone to speak to me about their Moment townread because I'm not sold yet

also

kittybells

, do you think i have improved at mafia since 2015?

i know - impulsive question but still

im building self-confidence and not ranking myself but i still wonder about peoples thoughts at times

p-edit

krazy <3

Thoughts on

Moment

? I'm not feeling strongly about

Gamma

either way, early-game I had a townread there, but that's faded.

[Krazy]

I haven't played with S_S before so I don't know how valid the claims about his meta are but your comment about coin wall posts just feels awful considering that's literally how you entered the game.

Yeah that was partly the joke. I was kind of expecting him to really talk setup spec given it had actually been a major topic and he kinda just brushed past it all. Like my impression of S_S is that he enjoys talking setup spec more than Jingle, but maybe my experiences with him have been warped by looking at his play in theme games over opens idk.

you haven't mentioned it at all before so idk where you are pulling "indignation and omgusing" from

He literally just said "I would expect scum to double down on scumreading me here!" and then said that the people doing that are Gamma, who I townread, and myself, who I know is town. But apparently Ank loved that post so...

[Something_Smart]

Regardless of meta, I doubt setup spec is ever alignment indicative and framing this in such a way to imply he's scum for not doing setup spec just feels like a weird angle to take.

There is more than a grain of truth in his assertions. I do setup spec more as town than as scum, although the amount I did in Excalibur was unusually high because it was a completely new setup that had never been played before and there was a lot to talk about.

But given the circumstances (this is a slight variation of a setup that's been played many times before, and a lot of people here played in them but I haven't, and I'm a replacement coming in after a lot of topics have been discussed and resolved), I've done the amount of setup spec that I feel was appropriate.

[Krazy]

Thoughts on Moment? I'm not feeling strongly about Gamma either way, early-game I had a townread there, but that's faded.

To be honest when I was doing the "who are the gents left in the game list" earlier Moment was the name I had to go back and remind myself of. I have almost no thoughts on him. I thought he was townie briefly when he got angry at me for posting a lot but I've since second-guessed that, leaving him quite null. Doesn't give me a strong reason to second-guess the people townreading him though and I have no problem with pairing him with someone like Gamma that I see as lynchbaity town, but I don't really have a need to pick a fight there with RC and I don't see a need to force Moment into that pairing if he doesn't want it. I more want to see what he actually chooses to do and not over-analyze his slot until he does more AI stuff.

[Something_Smart]

Like my impression of S_S is that he enjoys talking setup spec more than Jingle, but maybe my experiences with him have been warped by looking at his play in theme games over opens idk.

I do like talking setup spec, but it was different in Excalibur because there were several possible strategies that were mechanically different, and there were huge differences between them, so there were a lot of things to discuss.

The amount I have done this game is about average.

[Krazy]

@Krazy this feels pretty icky to me

this is also like the 11th time I felt like Dann was turning on someone shortly after other people had started to push on the slot and it's one reason I liked Pvt airing his skepticism of that slot. I still lean town on Dann but if there is a deepwolf he is the slot I am most worried about. I think Dann's posts bug me a lot at times and I think Pvt is pretty likely town to get pinged by his posts, even if he's possibly wrong.

And I told myself I was going to not go heavy today, idk, I see shit and I have thoughts and I want to write them. I should just like log out or something. There's a book I *need* to read today and it's so much easier to focus on 'reads' in mafia than to actually pick it up 0.o