Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[RadiantCowbells]

like

you're doing town a favor by pairing SS either way

[Moment]

like if the two are

both town

then you pairing town gives us a locktown pairing regardless of whom with

and the idea of you just wanting ankamius to leave the dance to silence me is really awful.

I'm afraid it was my only response to what was essentially a threat rather than an argument.

I'm not exactly clear as to whom you're referring to when you say "if the two are both town".

I thought you said the exact opposite just a bit earlier?

you're misunderstanding.
you ensure the lynch of scums by making locktown pairs.
preventing thebries town lynch is meaningless in the same sense that preventing my own lynch in a world where i wasn't going to endgame was meaningless.

Your view is fatalistic. I don't agree with you in that TheBrie cannot go to endgame.

[Moment]

like

you're doing town a favor by pairing SS either way

I don't disagree. I simply believe that I can do better.


Nothing against you, SS. I can just do better than you

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm afraid it was my only response to what was essentially a threat rather than an argument.

I'm not exactly clear as to whom you're referring to when you say "if the two are both town".

It's a threat that I have to make? I don't think that thebrie is town. the arguments made in favor of her being town are 'purity' which I cant argue with.

My

argument

is that by pairing thebrie you're dividing town and removing a locktown pairing from consideration.

[RadiantCowbells]

i have more historical games with thebrie than any other player. my reads are pretty damn good. my read on her should mean a lot more to yall than it seems to.

[TheBrie]

Had a long days work today. Had to wake up just after 3 AM. So I had to nap before coming on.

The evidence is that she has not yet paired with me. I believe the logical conclusion from that evidence points towards her being town.

Ideally, I would like to pair with Brie, if only because it might stop people from lynching someone whom I believe to be town. Failing that, I think Urist-Brie might be a good pair.

The problem is that I townread both SS and Brie but only one of the three remaining gentlemen besides myself, that being Urist.

Are you then wanting me paired with you, and SS with Urist? (or viceversa). That could work.
But tell me, why do you think Allomancer is scum? I think I could work with him, and if you're town, I don't want to make RC kill you.

[RadiantCowbells]

this is so fucking frustrating because i'm not even 100% on brie being scum. i just think she's... not locktown. i don't want her treated as locktown. there's enough agreed locktowns that we can work around her

so right now I either play against my wincondition or be forced to make an incredibly divisive play that will only see justification part of the time

[Moment]

Brie, I'd appreciate if you didn't accept my offer for the time being, until this is cleared up.

[RadiantCowbells]

moment do you think that me/ss is ever scum v scum

[Moment]

I'm afraid it was my only response to what was essentially a threat rather than an argument.

I'm not exactly clear as to whom you're referring to when you say "if the two are both town".

It's a threat that I have to make? I don't think that thebrie is town. the arguments made in favor of her being town are 'purity' which I cant argue with.

My

argument

is that by pairing thebrie you're dividing town and removing a locktown pairing from consideration.

My argument has nothing to do with "purity". I believe I've been relatively straightforward.

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Had a long days work today. Had to wake up just after 3 AM. So I had to nap before coming on.

The evidence is that she has not yet paired with me. I believe the logical conclusion from that evidence points towards her being town.

Ideally, I would like to pair with Brie, if only because it might stop people from lynching someone whom I believe to be town. Failing that, I think Urist-Brie might be a good pair.

The problem is that I townread both SS and Brie but only one of the three remaining gentlemen besides myself, that being Urist.

Are you then wanting me paired with you, and SS with Urist? (or viceversa). That could work.
But tell me, why do you think Allomancer is scum? I think I could work with him, and if you're town, I don't want to make RC kill you.

It's process of elimination.

What would you think of pairing with Urist?

[Moment]

moment do you think that me/ss is ever scum v scum

I don't believe SS is scum in the first place, so I would doubt it.

[RadiantCowbells]

So. You can pair with TheBrie or SS who are both confirmed town-ish from your point of view. Do you agree thus far?

[TheBrie]

I don't need to be lock town, RC. But do we really have that many agreed on lock towns?
Since when is SS lock town?


(I hardly believe in lock town being a thing at all.)

[Moment]

Indeed.

For the sake of postcount and expedience you can go through the rest of this hypothetical slotting in what you believe my answers are, and I can inform you if there's some error along the way.

I do have to go to sleep.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok so we have

Moment hypothetically locktown
You can pair with 1/2 of {SS/TheBrie}
Either way, we get 1 strong endgame pairing.

Let's even assume for now that both SS/THeBrie are flipped town, so lets not make this about my read on TheBrie even.
In the remaining gentlemen pool, we have Allomancer, DT, Pvturist.
None of these gentlemen are endgame gentlemen unless they really town up the slots that they are present in.

So regardless of whether you keep SS or TheBrie alive, the other is dying before endgame because their gentleman is going to be inherently less trustworthy than other pairings that already exist

So preventing thebrie from being mislynched is a misnomer: regardless of who you don't accept, that pairing is going to end up removed from play.

[Firebringer]

this is so fucking frustrating because i'm not even 100% on brie being scum. i just think she's... not locktown. i don't want her treated as locktown. there's enough agreed locktowns that we can work around her

so right now I either play against my wincondition or be forced to make an incredibly divisive play that will only see justification part of the time

im not lock towning thebrie. is this at moment or who exactly?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not even sure how I feel about TheBrie

I just think that whoever you get paired with, Moment, is going to end up being the conftown pair not nightkilled before endgame and I want to be super choosy about it

[Moment]

Ok so we have

Moment hypothetically locktown
You can pair with 1/2 of {SS/TheBrie}
Either way, we get 1 strong endgame pairing.

Let's even assume for now that both SS/THeBrie are flipped town, so lets not make this about my read on TheBrie even.
In the remaining gentlemen pool, we have Allomancer, DT, Pvturist.
None of these gentlemen are endgame gentlemen unless they really town up the slots that they are present in.

So regardless of whether you keep SS or TheBrie alive, the other is dying before endgame because their gentleman is going to be inherently less trustworthy than other pairings that already exist

So preventing thebrie from being mislynched is a misnomer: regardless of who you don't accept, that pairing is going to end up removed from play.

Our disagreement again comes from a difference in perspective in that none of those people can be brought to endgame. I think Urist is decently likely to be town, although he has mentioned a desire to die before a certain point. In that sense Urist-Brie somewhat satisfies both of us.




I really just can't put in the same kind of effort that I used to be able to so I am actually leaning towards asking SS, if only due to weariness. I don't think that I could put in the kind of effort that I would need to to keep my pairing alive if I were to dance with Brie, especially if you're so inclined to tunnel her as you've stated.

[Firebringer]

rc is a over controlling parent over moments love life.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think nancy drew pairing is going to be shot and i think me/ankamius are going to end up self destructing at some point

i'll read brie's old games again because i don't want to be the reason she's not brought to endgame if she's town but ugh this situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth

[Moment]

I'm not even sure how I feel about TheBrie

I just think that whoever you get paired with, Moment, is going to end up being the conftown pair not nightkilled before endgame and I want to be super choosy about it

Here are my terms: accept them or don't, but I should hope that you at least consider them.

I ask SS, and you don't let your small doubt on Brie turn into a deathtunnel simply because you don't 100% townread her.

Something Smart, would you like to dance?

Time to go to bed.

[RadiantCowbells]

NO SON OF MINE IS BRINGING AN AUSSIE GIRL HOME MOMENT

[RadiantCowbells]

if i can locktown your pairing

i can completely let go of having to keep my slot alive

and that is... super freeing

[Moment]

rc is a over controlling parent over moments love life.

Who shall I pick, the rebellious bad boy Brie or the choice that my overcontrolling parents want me to pick, SS?

[Firebringer]

rc is a over controlling parent over moments love life.

Who shall I pick, the rebellious bad boy Brie or the choice that my overcontrolling parents want me to pick, SS?

I am a bigger supporter of giving people freedom of choice so I shall give u same advice I tell myself.


BURN BOTH OF THEM TO THE GROUND!