Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Taly]

Not confident in my townread on

Vedith

but I hate the fear-mongering posts about him yolo-ruining town as much as I hate the indifference-born gamelong scumread on

Allo

.

Don't worry, I'm touching up on that in my multi-wallpost shit.

[Krazy]

Ank, I did:

Your suggestion has been noted.

[Ankamius]

That's not a town response, Krazy.

[PvtUrist]

as much as I hate the indifference-born gamelong scumread on

Allo

.

What socery is this

[Taly]

as much as I hate the indifference-born gamelong scumread on

Allo

.

What socery is this

I'm sorry, can you point to me somewhere when

Allo

has said anything in the last 2000 posts that doesn't get an auto

"this is scum" or "not town"

response?

The points on him being scum haven't left for me, but gamestate can very easily point to him being lynchbaity town - as I no longer trust people's automatic instinct on him based off a widely disapproving interaction.

[PvtUrist]

Good point

Taly

town points for you

[Something_Smart]

Not confident in my townread on Vedith but I hate the fear-mongering posts about him

That's a very weird and leading way to describe it.

What I'm weighing here is the chance RC is scum versus the chance Vedith is scum.

I don't think anyone suggested he's actually likely to yolobomb, but we have to consider it as a possibility.

[Ankamius]

RC is locktown now

No touchy, not ever.

[PvtUrist]

RC is locktown now

You shall be held responsible it RC rolled scum

[Taly]

Not confident in my townread on Vedith but I hate the fear-mongering posts about him

That's a very weird and leading way to describe it.

What I'm weighing here is the chance RC is scum versus the chance Vedith is scum.

I don't think anyone suggested he's actually likely to yolobomb, but we have to consider it as a possibility.

lmfao.

I'm going to get to this after my current posts are done being typed.

I can fill a pages worth of posts proving the bolded statement wrong.

And if someone's

CONSIDERING

it as a

POSSIBILITY

- they

ARE

suggesting that

Vedith

can do it. So your defense here makes 0 sense to me.

[PvtUrist]

Likely=possible?

I just learned something new today.

[Krazy]

I'm fine with Pvt/Gamma.

I'd be fine with Allo/Gamma but I have no idea if Allo even logs on to the site before deadline given the V/LA until Saturday.

[Taly]

If people have to strategize solely around ONE person's game decision/voting play with how much leverage town can acquire for themselves in a game narrative in this setup, it's probably not thought with good/towny gamesolving faith or intentions.

[Krazy]

I'm basically fine with any remaining combination of pairings in any order actually

Since there's a standing offer for a lady, I don't think we can do no pairings. If we don't want to play out dance 1, which is an idea I'm kinda fine with, we should all just no lynch.

If Allo flips scum, we should not no lynch obviously. But I'm kinda assuming he flips green and that there's just nothing I can do about that so.

[Ankamius]

RC is locktown now

You shall be held responsible it RC rolled scum

Can we seriously just leave this slot out?

[Krazy]

I don't think vedith is even the issue

the question for me is how do we even play dance 1

the men can't vote at all until a hammer is decided? who gets to decide the hammer? does it have to be l-1

the whole phase is just a stupid red herring and we should just skip to the mountainous imo.

[Taly]

If people have to strategize solely around ONE person's game decision/voting play with how much leverage town can acquire for themselves in a game narrative in this setup, it's probably not thought with good/towny gamesolving faith or intentions.

And don't bring up the "coin mechanic" counterargument.

Nobody can stop someone from leaving if they feel so strongly that their partner has fucked up and I trust either

FB

or

Vedith

to make a sound decision on this because I strongly believe at least ONE of them is town.

[Taly]

If people have to strategize solely around ONE person's game decision/voting play with how much leverage town can acquire for themselves in a game narrative in this setup, it's probably not thought with good/towny gamesolving faith or intentions.

And don't bring up the "coin mechanic" counterargument.

Nobody can stop someone from leaving if they feel so strongly that their partner has fucked up and I trust either

FB

or

Vedith

to make a sound decision on this because I strongly believe

at least ONE

of them is town.

bolded is the key phrasing here

[PvtUrist]

Welp, so far arguments against me are;

dunno just don't like pvturist

I'm confused where all these urist townreads came from

He's the only slot I don't remember a single thing of

So I'm looking forwards to what

Taly

has to offer.

[Something_Smart]

Taly, the issue is--

If Vedith is scum, it might be right for him to do it. If he is scum, it therefore might be wrong for us to give him that opportunity, and thus, we need to judge the likelihood of him being scum, so we can decide if we want to give him the chance.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm fine with Pvt/Gamma.

I'd be fine with Allo/Gamma but I have no idea if Allo even logs on to the site before deadline given the V/LA until Saturday.

So, do we ask FG for an extension or skip the 1st dance?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If people have to strategize solely around ONE person's game decision/voting play with how much leverage town can acquire for themselves in a game narrative in this setup, it's probably not thought with good/towny gamesolving faith or intentions.

And don't bring up the "coin mechanic" counterargument.

Nobody can stop someone from leaving if they feel so strongly that their partner has fucked up and I trust either

FB

or

Vedith

to make a sound decision on this because I strongly believe at least ONE of them is town.

Yeah, one of them obviously has to be.

[Taly]

So here.

PB, Dann and Krazy have explained their town-read on me. Taly and Anka, mind explaining your scum read?

While you're at it, explain why exactly Allomancer is town and should be in the dance before me.

I'll try to play a bit more seriously, now that I'm no longer drunk tunneling.

1)

You've said that you don't have strong or really any scumreads right now, but you haven't done much about them. 3825

2)

You've made multiple posts about how

Dann

is scum - which by itself isn't bad, but here's what pinges me:

(3264/3265 - this is only counting the last few hundred posts.)

-

You're casing him when he's widely townread AND with ANOTHER widely townread pairing -

Nancy

, AND someone you had a townread on in 1988- yet I don't recall you ever interjecting that their pairing was bad.

-

The only notable posts about this game I have with you is your scumread on

Dann

because you've not asserted any other read as strongly as yours on him.

-

We can't lynch yet, but you're focusing more on scumcasing him rather than discussing pairs.

3)

You're OK being left behind Pre-Dance because of your scumread on

Dann

. 3275

-

If you're as confident in being town as you say you are - why are you nonchalant at dying just to prove your point on someone you can't mechanically lynch at the time?

4)

Also, I noted that I didn't find you guys much as a TvT anymore, but you're fine with that? I don't believe in your overconfidence on the

Dann

read. 3271

5)

And the above 2 points makes less sense as town because 2045 is such an odd post where you're debating ALL realities of

Dann/Your

alignment.

6)

You entertained a scumteam theory 1991

(even though this post said that the scumreads are isolated and not pre-flip associatives 1998 except for Moment in 2007)

and that idea dissipated without much else to say.

Your stance around your

more-stated reads

are noncommital.. It feels like you're positioning yourself to have your flip cast WIFOM on otherwise townread players and I don't see any post that strongly indicates you're wanting to solve the game.

S_S

from a read perspective is 2118 - and it doesn't imply town. So I don't get why you're asking for a dance there now?

Spoiler: I'm going to be fair and reveal my readnotes on you; and how I feel they've aged given your posts since 3 days ago.

PvtUrist *Volatile*

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I don't think scum would post a readslist like this and state he doesn't expect to be alive later 1988, unless

PvtUrist

is explicitly hard-distancing from his scumreads, but there's nothing to tell that yet.

With linked your posting, I can definitely see the italicized being true.

+

707 was a mile away from his recent readslist, so I'm inclined to think that he's had a genuine read progression.

This is long and irrelevant enough ago to where I don't see this post being valid, nor is it 100% town-indicative.

-

Mostly early game, he didn't do mucha bout his many null reads and had been passive outside of

Dann

-

Not liking the associative theory talk here 1991, as neither individual scumread is cased much 2009, I'd like it explained.

Now

Urist

, there are things that I've thought were towny of you as well before my readnotes - as I'm not feeling very strong or confident in my scumread on you.

But it's there, and you don't have to quote-by-quote deconstruct my wall to convince me otherwise or state your perspective.

I just want a response to the bread of what you receive about my scumread on you.

I just stated why I'm iffy on

Allo

being left. It's not exactly a read thing; but gamestate thing, but I'm still thinking a bit here.

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not super convinced that ss is scum but i am convinced that the optimal play is to skip first dance

[Taly]

Taly, the issue is--

If Vedith is scum

, it might be right for him to do it. If he is scum, it therefore might be wrong for us to give him that opportunity, and thus, we need to judge the likelihood of him being scum, so we can decide if we want to give him the chance.

Your whole point here relies on a hypothetical idea - of which - you haven't really stated that you legit think

Vedith

is scum?

Is

Vedith

scum to you? It seems you do, otherwise you wouldn't make any plan that relies on the uncertain chance he's scum?

You've mentioned

Krazy

doing something that I assumed made you suspicion of him 3693, but you haven't said anything about the fact that he has 7 coins. What's the difference of here?

Side note - I was going to wallpost this, but too many words will drown out my thinking towards your posts in the past 2 days. Some of your reads seem based on how people interact with your slot, and I don't fully vibe with it?

Another thing is -

RC+Ank

aren't auto-suiciding very stupidly anymore to my understanding. So 3934 seems misplaced, and again, you're talking about how

RC

has an endgame plan but are listing how he'd play as BOTH scum or town here?

I don't comprehend your line of thinking here, and it reads as you not having many unique reads beyond what the thread has notioned in some form.