Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Krazy]

Can we do a pre-dance vote? Who all supports dance 1 no lynch, vs dance 1 lynch, *on the assumption the excluded male flips town.

*I continue to maintain that if we get a scum flip in first dance we play it out from there or at least re-discuss whether we should no lynch.

If everyone could bold their votes:

VOTE: No Lynch Dance 1

VOTE: Lynch Dance 1

[RadiantCowbells]

if we can NL dance 1 then i support bringing some random pairings

[RadiantCowbells]

but we gotta like

speed no lynch

[Taly]

krazy

, would you prefer NL Dance 1?

i want a quick answer if youre online please <3

[Taly]

i think i want NL much more in hindsight

if we have as many people/pairings as possible, that brings even more advantage to town if we go mountainous without setup getting in the way

plus, an NK and IC would both be much better information to have the MORE players we have alive.

VOTE: No Lynch Dance 1

this is also tentative on the majority of people's desires, as we need consensus

[Krazy]

B) In Dance 1, we should just immediately no lynch

This is where I began the day. I dropped it when I began to think that we could get a consensus first lynch for dance 1, so that we could get the exclusion flip, and then immediately lynch the consensus first pair, and then have a plan for what to do on red flip/green flip (probably try to have discussion and updated reads for the pairs likely to get killed during intermission).

However, I haven't really seen indications there is a consensus first lynch at this point. Without a consensus first lynch, I believe we should immediately No Lynch; or at the very least, no lynch within the first 6-12 hours of Dance 1. Given Vedith can only hammer no lynch if all pairings are formed, we can discuss the pre-dance exclusion and then no lynch if town wants people to check in at that point.

But the longer we are in Dance 1, the higher the risk for Stupid, Unfun, Bullshit. There are compelling reasons to consider a strategy of having 100% of the town committed to hammering no lynch, upon a green pre-flip exclusion. So I VOTE: No Lynch Dance 1

[Taly]

someone shoot me

i didnt want to go strong on any reads in Pre-Dance or talk so much in the last 2 days of Pre-Dance and im violating both shamelessly

i need to hide ASAP

[Dannflor]

I support a no lynch Dance 1. I'll hopefully be around enough that the shorter deadline won't matter.

Overall I think it's worthwhile given the state of the game and just to avoid the coin mechanic. I don't trust someone won't accidentally get lynched because voters forgot how many coins they had.

VOTE: No Lynch Dance 1

How long till the deadline and are people even gonna get online in time to pair?

[Ankamius]

3934 has a much simpler flaw in it, Taly

Krazy not even humoring it is why I'm pretty certain he's town now

[Dannflor]

someone shoot me

i didnt want to go strong on any reads in Pre-Dance or talk so much in the last 2 days of Pre-Dance and im violating both shamelessly

i need to hide ASAP

no you are good Taly <3

I wanted to echo that I really enjoy this playerlist and setup as well even though that was from your post 9 pages ago but whatever I just read it so that's what really counts

Also, I found your PvT case interesting, but it just kinda compounds the conundrum of

why

scum in his position would do that. Like, it seems like rather illogical play regardless of alignment, and imo town is more likely to just have games where they're obviously playing illogically or poorly.

[Ankamius]

Scum*

I've talked too much about townreads lately

[Ankamius]

someone shoot me

i didnt want to go strong on any reads in Pre-Dance or talk so much in the last 2 days of Pre-Dance and im violating both shamelessly

i need to hide ASAP

no you are good Taly <3

I wanted to echo that I really enjoy this playerlist and setup as well even though that was from your post 9 pages ago but whatever I just read it so that's what really counts

Also, I found your PvT case interesting, but it just kinda compounds the conundrum of

why

scum in his position would do that. Like, it seems like rather illogical play regardless of alignment, and imo town is more likely to just have games where they're obviously playing illogically or poorly.

With the way town have gone about this, any scum not pocketing is pretty much doomed this game

[Dannflor]

With the way town have gone about this, any scum not pocketing is pretty much doomed this game

I agree but I'm not sure the relation to my post

[Something_Smart]

Your whole point here relies on a hypothetical idea - of which - you haven't really stated that you legit think

Vedith

is scum?

My point RISKS Vedith being scum. If he's scum, he could cause trouble. I don't know if he's scum, that's what I'm asking all of YOU about.

Is

Vedith

scum to you? It seems you do, otherwise you wouldn't make any plan that relies on the uncertain chance he's scum?

I don't think so, but it's not impossible. That's why I want other people's opinions...

(And also, Vedith being scum wouldn't automatically make the plan fail. He'd have to decide it was best and beat both RC and Ank to the thread.)

You've mentioned

Krazy

doing something that I assumed made you suspicion of him 3693, but you haven't said anything about the fact that he has 7 coins. What's the difference of here?

7 votes isn't enough to lynch someone before intermission.

Side note - I was going to wallpost this, but too many words will drown out my thinking towards your posts in the past 2 days. Some of your reads seem based on how people interact with your slot, and I don't fully vibe with it?

Another thing is -

RC+Ank

aren't auto-suiciding very stupidly anymore to my understanding. So 3934 seems misplaced, and again, you're talking about how

RC

has an endgame plan but are listing how he'd play as BOTH scum or town here?

I don't comprehend your line of thinking here, and it reads as you not having many unique reads beyond what the thread has notioned in some form.

Go ahead and ask about anything specific that confuses you, I don't really know how to respond to this.

[Taly]

Also, I found your PvT case interesting, but it just kinda compounds the conundrum of why scum in his position would do that. Like, it seems like rather illogical play regardless of alignment, and imo town is more likely to just have games where they're obviously playing illogically or poorly.

hence y its not a strong or confident scumread but

Urist

asked for reasoning ^_^

3934 has a much simpler flaw in it, Taly

Krazy not even humoring it is why I'm pretty certain he's town now

Scum*

I've talked too much about townreads lately

so is

krazy

scum or town to you? and r u going to vote on what he suggested?

id like clarity here but if you dont want to verify now then you dont need to

p-edit

S_S

ill get 2 u tomorrow when i have the brain cells to critically think

[Ankamius]

With the way town have gone about this, any scum not pocketing is pretty much doomed this game

I agree but I'm not sure the relation to my post

I'm just saying

Scum that aren't pocketing just need to not out their partners

[Ankamius]

Krazy is a strong scumread, Taly

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think i want NL much more in hindsight

if we have as many people/pairings as possible, that brings even more advantage to town if we go mountainous without setup getting in the way

plus, an NK and IC would both be much better information to have the MORE players we have alive.

VOTE: No Lynch Dance 1

this is also tentative on the majority of people's desires, as we need consensus

VOTE: No Lynch Dance 1

[Ankamius]

I think ultimately it doesn't matter what we choose

I suspect that whoever his partners are, they're either Dannflor or not teaching endgame regardless of what happens

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: No Lynch Dance 1

[Ankamius]

Reaching

I hate my phone

[Pink Ball]

If urist doesn't pair today and flips scum, I'll reconsider my read on DanceFloor.

VOTE: No lynch Dance 1 or whatever the phrasing was stupid phone posting p-edit yeah it was correct

[Something_Smart]

Do you think I should accept Urist?

[Ankamius]

I'm probably going to get overruled

So I'll just say that I want Urist to flip sooner rather than later no matter what the pairings are

[Nancy Drew 39]

Krazy is a strong scumread, Taly

Why a “strong” scumread?