Mini Normal 2052: Mixtape Mafia [Game Over]

[singletonking]

Oh, I think this is my first scum win ever

[Springtrap]

My scum team grilled me for not doing anything, but strategic laziness played into my ploy after all.

The setup speculation did indeed come down to whether I was town or scum, and I went for incompitent PR so it would make more sense for me to be alive.

Well done to everyone, but I think it was mainly the fact you couldn't pinpoint any real connections from the scum team since we didn't really work as a team unit this game.

[Krazy]

I was not the expecting the adrenaline spike this morning of Springtrap voting while I was about to go to work and STK was offline LOL

but hey, he called it, it was fine

extra sassy points there I guess <3

[Elsa Jay]

Contrary to popular belief, the Jay clan knows what we're doing. Spring is just... The quiet one.

[Bambi Jay]

Spring Boyo won after all. Woop woop!

Not like this town was coordinated enough with all the sudden quickhammers going around.

[Krazy]

2 Masons, Neighborizor, neighbors, (odd loud FV/even MD) vs. 3 man scum team seems... like a bit scumsided at a glance?

think my "springtrap is real because town HAS to have more power" argument had value because it felt like it should be true

I'm sure someone can say what the actual E/V is here tho and it can't be that bad, just not townsided like a lot of games in new york have felt lately

[singletonking]

Yeah I don't know how Springtrap magicked his way out of the lynch D1

[0verki11]

Yeah I don't know how Springtrap magicked his way out of the lynch D1

with the when it doubt claim PR strat of course.

[Springtrap]

To be fair, I only hinted at being a PR later after I had Clem confirm who I was... Who then promptly got killed in my place as a neighborizer and gave me instant credibility.

[Slaxx]

I'll never use this shitty troll alt again

Sorry Gamma, I made it to mess with Ruby Red for MLing me in another game and then saw this one.

[Elsa Jay]

Ruby Red
Gamma Emerald
Delta Diamond

What a connection. But I feel subconsciously having the Minecraft avatar and talking like a kid screwed you over the most, Slaxx.

[Slaxx]

Yeah this was kind of a test to see if it was my logic or my tryharding that got me obvtown read

It is the latter

[Slaxx]

I do have some bones to pick with the setup but the scum played well enough for it to be slotted comfortably into "it wouldnt have mattered"

[mastina]

I'm Jenga gg

Huh.

(BTW my setup; I designed it, so blame me, etc.)

[singletonking]

Mastina what did you have in mind when you designed the setup

[Slaxx]

meh i can't be mad at mastina

[Elsa Jay]

The scum only having a PT Cop was weird, but I think it balanced out considering that claim basically gave scum victory. Wasn't even useful for a Masonry that revealed day 1 and a neighborizer being lynched.

[mastina]

Mastina what did you have in mind when you designed the setup

Honestly?
Knowing that it was designed by me, with my fondness for all town neighborhoods, with the intention of the neighborhood to act like a second masonry--I originally tossed around the idea of two, separate, masonries, but couldn't find a way to not make it townsided. (Because four conftown, obv.)

So the second masonry became the neighbors, which I knew was too little, so I added in the neighborizer, with the pt cop. I STILL knew it was too little, but if memory serves me, that was where the review started at, with me relying on my reviewer to refine the balance.

The fruit vendor/MD role was what we came up with, as a role not overpowering the town (most suggestions for more power left town OP), while still giving them more.

[Gamma Emerald]

this
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=125

tfw MS creates a God damn copypasta

[Gamma Emerald]

What the fuck was my role even
Also tfw you fuck up claiming your real role but you have an inno as a safety cushion

[Elsa Jay]

Oh Spring claimed an Inno on you because your who he checked. You being a PR was a happy coincidence.

You got saved by a scum claiming an Inno on you. I hope you see the irony in that set of events.

[mastina]

Basically: I started with an idea which I knew was townsided, and nerfed the town; I knew that the nerf left the town underpowered, but had trouble finding a buff which wouldn't push it back into townsided.

Were I to change something, I'd probably first change the fv/MD to be odd-md, even-fv. Since most games only get three nights, that'd give two investigations rather than just the one.

[mastina]

What the fuck was my role even
Also tfw you fuck up claiming your real role but you have an inno as a safety cushion

The idea behind it was to serve as both a soft clear of your slot, AND, soft investigative. You could catch the scum making the nightkill, or catch Springtrap in a lie, while also being mostly untouchable as nigh-conftown. With no multitasking modifier, and being Loud, there'd be no doubt that the fruit was yours.

Like I said tho, in hindsight, you should've been an Odd Night Motion Detector, Even Night Loud Fruit Vendor. Probably made no difference, but COULD have given you more of a chance to catch scum.

[Krazy]

I actually don't think anyone took designer meta into account; in that regard I don't think the neighborhood or the neighborizor look like very good prs for town. Like they're all protection for the masons against the PT cop but that means this was a mountainous with 2 masons vs 2 goons and a goon with a mechanically compelling fakeclaim

maybe i'm undervaluing the neighborizor/neighbors idk

[mastina]

I actually don't think anyone took designer meta into account; in that regard I don't think the neighborhood or the neighborizor look like very good prs for town. Like they're all protection for the masons against the PT cop but that means this was a mountainous with 2 masons vs 2 goons and a goon with a mechanically compelling fakeclaim
maybe i'm undervaluing the neighborizor/neighbors idk

I think what you're undervaluing is the effect of one or two dead scum. With as little as a single dead scum, Gamma becomes conftown, elevating your conftown from 2 to 3. With as little as one dead scum, Gamma's motion detect becomes a full tracker, almost as powerful as a cop.