Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Nancy Drew 39]

@taly deciding who was defending him to mislynch him clearly implies that not everyone was doing that: you could've been defending him because you thought he was town. I want to reread to decide if I can get anything about Allo that could be useful. Yes, I was one of the players scumreading Allo and wanted him to be left out.

Also no, I said that if Urist flipped scum, I would've thought Dann was scum, not the other way. I said that 'cause the last scumgame I saw from Urist, the only push he commited to was his scumpartner

Yeah Urist did seem to be tunneled on Dann and earlier on Ank iirc.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what plan were you talking about with RC that showed he had a way to win this game and why did it revolve around him and Ank's death?

RC had near-lock townreads on Moment/Brie and Dann/Nancy, and the plan was simply to kill everyone except them. The problem was that RC's reads couldn't have been trusted to be 100% genuine while he was alive, so he needed to die for it to work.

Yes I'm saying he could be wrong on one pairing and you could use that to your benefit. SS if you're town, you think this doesn't make sense? 'cause I think it's pretty easy to understand what I'm saying.

Wouldn’t it be more likely that he was right about at least one of his scumreads? Scum would obviously not want RC alive to push them.

[PvtUrist]

Your MAIN concern, ought to be scumhunting.

Not yet, no. I get to the dance, then I scum hunt!
I don't know what you want here, I'm being honest!

it's time

[Nancy Drew 39]

ftr i still think that S_S is more likely town than not despite how much i dislike his play

Probably not SS.

[Vedith]

it's time

What do you want first?

[Vedith]

Dannflor

-

Nancy Drew 39

Moment

-

TheBrie

or

DoubtingThomas

-

Something_Smart

PvtUrist (green now)

-

Gamma Emerald

Dr Worm

-

Pink Ball

or

Krazy

-

Taly

[Nancy Drew 39]

u know who i said literally 100%? chibibear / brian skies

Anyone who has familiarzed themselves with Witches’ Ball, knows that RC insisted on a lynch order, that was pretty much followed to the letter and eventually won town the game. This was one of the main reasons, people were so suspicious of Krazy for doing this in the aborted version of this setup.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dannflor

-

Nancy Drew 39

Moment

-

TheBrie

or

DoubtingThomas

-

Something_Smart

PvtUrist (green now)

-

Gamma Emerald

Dr Worm

-

Pink Ball

or

Krazy

-

Taly

Why are me and Dann in red?

[PvtUrist]

you're both too hot

[Vedith]

Why are me and Dann in red?

I think both of you are Scum or have high chance of flipping Scum.
I was trying to show what pair I would be confident in lynching and what pair id rather walk out than have lynch (when L1 is close For tells).

But my concern during the night is that RC had you as town and I think I should give more credit to that read as I don't have the meta with you personally.
With RC confirmed it does alter my judgement but these were my views before day 2 started

[Nancy Drew 39]

you're both too hot

Actually tw is my “non-gendered” soulmate. Sorry Dann, I wanted to tell you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why are me and Dann in red?

I think both of you are Scum or have high chance of flipping Scum.
I was trying to show what pair I would be confident in lynching and what pair id rather walk out than have lynch (when L1 is close For tells).

But my concern during the night is that RC had you as town and I think I should give more credit to that read as I don't have the meta with you personally.
With RC confirmed it does alter my judgement but these were my views before day 2 started

But why were you scumreading either of us, prior to that?

[Vedith]

But why were you scumreading either of us, prior to that?

Well I felt you were buddying up to me earlier in the game. I also thought your posts of reads or information were forced.
Dann spent all game agreeing with the louder players, pushing the quieter or more targeted players and looked to try and hide under the radar.

You should worry less to why I have/had (I'm not sure yet) you as Scum and why I should read someone else as Scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

But why were you scumreading either of us, prior to that?

Well I felt you were buddying up to me earlier in the game. I also thought your posts of reads or information were forced.
Dann spent all game agreeing with the louder players, pushing the quieter or more targeted players and looked to try and hide under the radar.

You should worry less to why I have/had (I'm not sure yet) you as Scum and why I should read someone else as Scum.

I’m not worried, I just didn’t understand why. Well, I don’t understand your moment scumread either.

[Vedith]

Fair enough.
So you town read Moment?

[Krazy]

Can you expand on PB/worm pairing read?

[Vedith]

Worm I'm not going to pretend to read. Given their play is set in character they won't change for me.
PB I like for town. Nothing seems forced at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

You're saying Fire didn't use your PT for shitposting at all?

This is curious indeed, I'd expect a little from him at least. Dis he say why he wasn't shitposting, Vedith?

[Taly]

Phonepost

@4380 I have a few hangups with the read list here.

Vedith

only has 4 individual townreads in a game of 16 players left alive and we are nearing 5000 posts in, and the only town/town pair to him consists of the person who just got IC'ed.

The only scum/scum pair he has consists of who the IC pushed the most Pre-Dance.

(Urist on Dann)

His townread on me is least understated or understood out of the entire playerlist since the strongest townreads on me are meta based and we haven't played before to my memory.

PB

is his townread out of 11 other people because?

PB

wants to push

S_S

and

DT

is scumread here which is

S_S'

partner.... so maybe read alignment is the reason?

I'm confident

"their content doesn't feel forced"

as a reason to townread someone should apply to more than just

PB

here.

Would like to see some explanations here

Otherwise -5000 to him and noted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma doesn't say connected.

Krazy and Vedith also share a tier which I feel is a sign I might be onto something.

I guess I read that differently to you.

There COULD be a connection. At this point all I know is Vedith and Krazy, who both are generally suspected, share a tier as my townreads.

[Vedith]

This is curious indeed, I'd expect a little from him at least. Dis he say why he wasn't shitposting, Vedith?

Fire said the same in the PT as in here. Both today I believe

[Vedith]

Would like to see some explanations here

I'm on phone right now.
If it helps I had RC and Ank both as town. So having 6 town reads ending day 1 is actually a lot for me regardless of posts made.
The amount if posts in a game means nothing without flips

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma

Why is

Dann/Nancy

on the lower side of your reads?
Thoughts on

S_S+DT

?

Nancy is lower because I only really had her as weak town before and like I am gonna read that gargantuan ISO. Dann is lower because my townread on him is newer and hasn't been looked over for sanity yet.
SS-DT is my number 2 pair in my lynch order (TB-moment being number 1 and PB-Dr. Worm being number 3).
I recall being asked about my DT read so here goes. It's essentially just a collection of pings that form a read. I don't like how they interacted with me, I don't like their mindset for pairing, and I'm still on the fence about their "I am an asset to town" bluster.

[Vedith]

I'm confident "their content doesn't feel forced" as a reason to townread someone should apply to more than just PB here.

Also it should, if I had the same for other players.

[Taly]

@taly deciding who was defending him to mislynch him clearly implies that not everyone was doing that: you could've been defending him because you thought he was town. I want to reread to decide if I can get anything about Allo that could be useful. Yes, I was one of the players scumreading Allo and wanted him to be left out.

Also no, I said that if Urist flipped scum, I would've thought Dann was scum, not the other way. I said that 'cause the last scumgame I saw from Urist, the only push he commited to was his scumpartner

Yeah, I

could've

been defending him because I thought I was town.
I

could've

been trying to pair him to get a mislynch.

You don't make any conclusion about me when I asserted my read of

Allo

, and I don't recall anyone else defending a reason to townread him based on the gamestate.

So how about you talk to me about

Nancy/Dann

? Since you think the NK and IC choice can be WIFOM - AND because

Nancy/Dann

both scumread

Allo

- very similarly to yourself.

His "we sheep RC after he flips town" followed by RC dying

His "we sheep RC after he flips town" followed by RC dying

The whole point of that was I was so paranoid of RC I didn't want to trust his reads while he was alive... why would I then kill him as scum?

To "trust" his reads and take advantage of it

You see, I can definitely note how this is a possibility for

S_S

scum. But who do you think is associated with

S_S

if he were scum?

I didn't see people raising their hands agreeing with

S_S

in 3934, and I don't fully see your line of thinking about

S_S

being potential scum as you haven't really given a read on him Pre-Dance.

What was your original read on

S_S

what plan were you talking about with RC that showed he had a way to win this game and why did it revolve around him and Ank's death?

RC had near-lock townreads on Moment/Brie and Dann/Nancy, and the plan was simply to kill everyone except them. The problem was that RC's reads couldn't have been trusted to be 100% genuine while he was alive, so he needed to die for it to work.

Ehhhhh.... Did you townread

RC/Ank

at all? I want you to give an actual read and your assessment about the gamestate - rather than planning things and giving ideas solely based on other people's reads.